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[Survivor] Possible ideas to combat huggers?
Lagiacrus
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I had this thought while playing survivor today.

So what I think, is that maybe Tigrounette could code the shaman in survivor to have the function of a vampire with a timer until someone gets turned into a vampire, but instead of that, he could make it to where if you hug the shaman enough, you just plain die. I think this would reduce most huggers and meep beggers.

I don't know if this is a good idea, but if you don't support then I welcome all criticism. Just please don't turn it into hate.
Also, please do share ideas that you have to combat huggers as well.


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Other valid Hugger Suggestions by others on this thread:

Mtsloud a dit :
/support I think hugging is too easy, and meep can be used to their advantadge. I was going to suggest that meep was twice as strong, but this seems better. A little countdown thing would be good too, the longer you are near the sham the lower the number is, so you can know ifyou've been too close.

Maybe they could edit meep to only make mice go right or left, not up? This would give huggers little advantage.

Johnlantern a dit :
I think if you made shaman not collide with grounds (as in items...this might be hard to program since they would have to go through items but NOT actual floors), then shamans could spawn a box and b plank it, then no one could hug them.

Suikodenii a dit :
Another idea is that the shaman could have an invisible shield that has a very high restitution so if the mice get to close, they get blown away. SWOOSH.

Siuker a dit :
Another idea that I have suggested long long time ago is, anyone who steps inside the spawn area cannot see shaman,shaman is invisible to them.
But I was said it would be difficult to implement it.

Ananother similar idea with Lagiacruss,
Instead of die,mice hug for a certain time then they carry a cheese on their back.
Shaman"You hug and win a free cheese?Here you go you bitches!"

Adorablebaby a dit :
Here's the way I think would be nice:
In survivor maps, the shaman has mouse collision but isn't able to
be actually moved by mice. This way, it's impossible to hug or kill
the Shaman by pushing him/her, and the Shaman won't hug the mice.

Laddee a dit :
I suggest that u could add a small shield around the sham so mice cannot hug.

Fierying a dit :
I dont know if i should support or not.
Hugging is the natural process of survivor.
The new survivor we currently have meep to "support" us from huggers which in the end is not driving huggers but attracting more to hug.
I cannot say your method will work, it will cause more trolling. Shamans will us their "body" to kill you instead of cannon.
What i suggest for combats is to learn skills to avoid them
What do i mean by Skills?
What i meant is like learning CNJ, SJ, and Fast Spawning, etc.
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But personally... i think meep and hotkeys should be taken away...

Chantallex a dit :
Meep is awful, but I'd rather have the entire thing gone instead of a replacement for it.

The skill of survivor is kind of taken away with the updates we got last year. I still find that portals should be removed as well.. Cage maps are cage maps for a reason.

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And just some words of wisdom from Dunald:

Dunald a dit :
I just realised that everthing needed is people to start using their minds and kick these people.

Especially now that you only need 4 people to kick.
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The easiest way to get huggers off of you is to do a down cannon jump. It's simple and if performed right, kills half of them.
I can explain if you're unfamiliar with it.
Lagiacrus
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That does sound like a good way to get rid of huggers, but many mice can't do it, and many times huggers get the benefit of the jump also.

One of the main forces driving this idea is that there is no way that huggers can find a way to benefit from this, like they can with the meep. This feature would keep people from hugging the shaman, because most mice hug so they can live and get the cheese. If this gets implemented, they won't hug so they don't die.
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Believe me, i see where you're going. It's like a hurricane. You either want to be as far away as possible, or right in the eye. Although i don't play survivor anymore, i'm always looking for new ways to do things and i think people should figure out by experience how to combat certain situations.
Of course, this is only my opinion
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/support I think hugging is too easy, and meep can be used to their advantadge. I was going to suggest that meep was twice as strong, but this seems better. A little countdown thing would be good too, the longer you are near the sham the lower the number is, so you can know ifyou've been too close.
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Sounds like a good idea, however just killing mice on the spot isn't exactly the easiest thing to do.
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Meisftw a dit :
Sounds like a good idea, however just killing mice on the spot isn't exactly the easiest thing to do.

I checked again and I'm sure he said that if you hug the shaman enough they'll die, but it's not killing mice on the spot.

I don't support this because I like challenges and what I mean is huggers are a bit of a challenge which I like, but I know not everyone does, as you can see I'm speaking for myself.
Since huggers are bit of a challenge I will therefore use combat situations like Tomdizzy said. If it's performed correctly it should work, which I find amusing b/c a lot shamans sometimes rage when it doesn't work.
I also don't like it b/c how far would the range be? How far can the mice be for it not to be considered hugging?
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Magicallina a dit :

I also don't like it b/c how far would the range be? How far can the mice be for it not to be considered hugging?

Maybe kissing range,but no more.
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maybe the sham can spawn a sheild!!!!!
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And.. What exactly happens if the shaman starts running after mice ?
That wouldn't be very fun. >.<
Lagiacrus
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Meisftw a dit :
Sounds like a good idea, however just killing mice on the spot isn't exactly the easiest thing to do.

Well, it wouldn't be instantly. Probably 5 seconds or 10 seconds, that way it'd be the hugger's fault that they died.

Dunald a dit :
And.. What exactly happens if the shaman starts running after mice ?
That wouldn't be very fun. >.<

Mice could just as easily run away, and this would waste the shaman's time, so I don't think the shaman would waste his/her time trying to kill with the hug-protection.


Magicallina a dit :
I checked again and I'm sure he said that if you hug the shaman enough they'll die, but it's not killing mice on the spot.

I don't support this because I like challenges and what I mean is huggers are a bit of a challenge which I like, but I know not everyone does, as you can see I'm speaking for myself.
Since huggers are bit of a challenge I will therefore use combat situations like Tomdizzy said. If it's performed correctly it should work, which I find amusing b/c a lot shamans sometimes rage when it doesn't work.
I also don't like it b/c how far would the range be? How far can the mice be for it not to be considered hugging?

I can see how you like the challenge of huggers, but I'm making this suggestion for the huge majority of players who dislike huggers, and because huggers hug just to get the reward of cheese, which is pitiful. The range of this would probably be how it is with the vampires.
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I was going to point out that this can easily be just as abused like the meep if you ran into mice yourself, but then i saw what you said and realized. This sounds like a great idea and i think an admin should really look into this and see if tig can replace the meep with this.

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This is a cool idea and I see too many people complaining about huggers in survivor and this looks like a pretty good idea tbh

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Lagiacrus
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Thanks for the support guys! I'm glad that you were able to see my reasoning with my well-worded explanations.
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I still support this, don't take me wrong, but maps such as these will have problems with this:

@290546 - Grounds on the sides - Mice will be forced to jump down. Bottom middle ground, mice will end up being forcd to wall jump, or simply die.

@1794907 - Bottom middle, mice will be forced to wj, or take one very long cj (If possible, haven't really tested the cj).

@1661909 - Bottom left, no ways to escape there.

@1535492 - Mice got about 200 pixels to run at.

@1277941 - Chances of getting a canon that'd help you up again, is small. Also, too little running space.

@500312 - Bottom left, bit bigger chance of getting up, but little running space.

@304198 - Mice spawn, with 20+ mice, at least 15 of them are dead within 1 minute.

@305748 - Some shamans often spawns a red plank and blocks of the map, giving the mice only the spawn ground, and a little wall to jump. Of course, not many people block this map longer though, but still.

So yeah. Some maps wouldn't really have any good with this thingie.. :c
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/no support
Sham whould hug mices to kill them easily.
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I have an idea.

1.Shaman has collosion with mice.
2.Shaman cannot be moved by any mice

Or
1.One button that shaman will have no collosion with objects,shaman can switch by that button.
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Dunald a dit :
And.. What exactly happens if the shaman starts running after mice ?
That wouldn't be very fun. &gt;.&lt;

^

Lagiacruss a dit :
Well, it wouldn't be instantly. Probably 5 seconds or 10 seconds, that way it'd be the hugger's fault that they died.
Mice could just as easily run away, and this would waste the shaman's time, so I don't think the shaman would waste his/her time trying to kill with the hug-protection.

I can see how you like the challenge of huggers, but I'm making this suggestion for the huge majority of players who dislike huggers, and because huggers hug just to get the reward of cheese, which is pitiful. The range of this would probably be how it is with the vampires.

How do you know if it's a huge majority first of all? I honestly think huggers provide challenges to everyone and the point is to kill them, but right know I'm just making a pro & cons list :p
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I support.
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Siuker a dit :
I have an idea.

1.Shaman has collosion with mice.
2.Shaman cannot be moved by any mice

Or
1.One button that shaman will have no collosion with objects,shaman can switch by that button.

*Collision would cause mice to kill the shaman.
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