1. The time to 90 seconds. No point to it. it kinda ruins the round for the sham who try to get alot of kills, but gets cut off.

2. Co-op shams. Worst idea ever. What the hell is even the point of that? it really just ruins the game, and if they're both active, there's no way to survive it.

Please just get rid of it. it ruins the game for alot of people. especially for the old players.

Dualy a dit :

2. Co-op shams. Worst idea ever. What the hell is even the point of that? it really just ruins the game, and if they're both active, there's no way to survive it.

This was previously a survivor mode by Holz called survivor+ that was wildly popular, actually.

Totally agree!

I mostely wonder actual where they get their opinions on their ideas. Do you guys even know what players think of the updates? I mean, if you go to a survivor room right now, and ask there ""hee guys what do you think of the updates around survivor?" well i can tell you what happens next; you will hear a bom explode and before you know you got the whole room complaining. If you don't believe me, go try it please.

That being said. This is why i think co-op is a shitty idea: I like shamming on survivor a lot. I like surviving, but killing everyone off is still the best.So, I waited my turn until i finally was on top. In a good, crowded room it can take me like 20/30 minutes before i can sham. The time was finally near, finally i got to sham. So i was waiting to blast everyone with my cannons. But in the first second, right away; BAM. Co-op sham killed me with his cannon. All that waiting.. For nothing. Thank you update.

But there are a lot of shit updates around survivor. These beautifly customed cannons, nice in normal rooms.. But hell in survivor. It isnt so much fun when you cant see the direction of the cannon because they customised it.

I hope they will finally listen to what we, survivor people, want.

I like the idea, of shorter time and double sham but I don't like how the skills or totem change the survivor.

Seeing the changes they made, they're just attracting vanilla players for those useless badges.
They only do it so more people stay active and have their profit, not caring about that small percentage that quits because of it.
The game change so much and it's still changing but in a bad way, going down hill, ruining it, in my personal opinion.

Baronlol a dit :

Seeing the changes they made, they're just attracting vanilla players for those useless badges.
They only do it so more people stay active and have their profit, not caring about that small percentage that quits because of it.
The game change so much and it's still changing but in a bad way, going down hill, ruining it, in my personal opinion.

oh just like you guys complain for the old events? -_- it was like cool back then because there was not that much of users. Btw, someone suggestion the badge idea so if you went to them yelling at insults they wouldn't like that. Any as more players play, tfm is high in demand. You guys would like it buti don't think other people will

I love survivor changes because now is more challenge in.
I don't play survivor too much because is ''too easy'' and boring.
Now more challenge in rock cn and better with 2 shamans:)
Continue to present new things in game:)
Have a nice day.

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Baronlol a dit :VoirMasquer

Seeing the changes they made, they're just attracting vanilla players for those useless badges.
They only do it so more people stay active and have their profit, not caring about that small percentage that quits because of it.
The game change so much and it's still changing but in a bad way, going down hill, ruining it, in my personal opinion.

oh just like you guys complain for the old events? -_- it was like cool back then because there was not that much of users. Btw, someone suggestion the badge idea so if you went to them yelling at insults they wouldn't like that. Any as more players play, tfm is high in demand. You guys would like it buti don't think other people will

First of all I understood the bare minimum from what you just said; but of course it was pointed out that that was my own opinion and you still had to be negative about it. You probably, being a new player and not knowing how it was then, never really knowing to be honest, will never
understand. Any further interacting will be pointless arguing

/no support
please stop your ruining everything atelier 801 worked so hard if you don't like it just QUIT THE GAME!!!!!
I HATE WHAT YOU DONE TO ATELIER801!

the only change they have to do is more time and co-op sham is only in baffula

Having played survivor since Holz time, I quite like the updates.

The 90 seconds update has pros and cons, pro: quicker rounds, no pointless waiting for some lame shaman to "free cheese" and sit there the whole round, meaning fast paced gameplay. Con: it makes shamans use totems more and more (I've seen way too many mass cannon totems lately... #1 please remove totems) because they want to get the job done as quick as possible with only 86 seconds (countdown) on the clock.

Double shaman is actually a GOOD update since long. The way I see it, surviving was pretty easy with 1 shaman. The times I do die are either because I make a silly mistake, some shaman uses a cannon totem (#2 please remove) or some shaman hugs and meeps me while I'm walljumping. When lua modules were first introduced I had the idea to make survive+ again but never did because of dual shaman restrictions at the time. I'm glad they've added it regularly to survivor. It gives more experienced players a challenge! However double shaman + both totems: no. #3 REMOVE TOTEMS PLEASE.

Also, you're only pointing out two updates they've made to survivor, there's been more, what about those?

The reduction of vampire maps is GOOD! Even though I'd like to see vampire maps a mode on its own, and gone in survivor, that's not going to happen. So +1

The survivor statistics are a good thing as well, although they've waited too long with it. Just like bootcamp this should've been there when the modes were first introduced. Yes, it does bring "vanilla shamans" with tons of "skills" to ruin the fun in crowded rooms (such as totems #4 please remove). The badges are mostly pointless as I see it, who even cares about badges really? Titles are way better. Pro: for those who like to compete in survivor with others, you can calculate your survival rate and such, which makes you want to actually survive and try your best!

Dualy, you say "it ruins the game for alot of people, especially for the old players", being an old player, I disagree THIS TIME.

I did not like how they added only 90 secs makes rounds very short in my opinion.
Co-ops? I guess it tests how well you can survive but not really most people will be dead from two shams lobbing cannons everywhere.

This isn't apart of the topic and may be an old update (I've been busy with school), but I really don't like how Survivor stats look on the profiles. I mean, it could be nice with images and all, but it just fills up the profiles. And seriously, why not have this with like, bootcamp? My suggestion is to at least make the width of the profiles longer for more room. Too much scrolling through all of this plus the badges and titles.

Also wish they had our old stats ;-; but I understand they were not logged.

I agree with everything Evilsantah has said (apart from disliking cute badges ;_;)

The only problem I'm seeing is that a large amount of maps will need to be edited to compensate for the change in round time. I'll bring this up with the rest of the survivor map crew. Enjoyable for mice as it's slightly easier to survive in a short time frame, but with a second shaman thrown in every now and then to liven things up a bit! (poor choice of words)

As for the profiles, they are becoming quite cluttered. Perhaps they'll work on improving them in the future, though it wouldn't be very high on their list of priorities.

Double shaman thing is sometimes fun, I mean imagine 2 pro shamans using hotkeys on you, it increased the level of survivor which is good. Time reduced to 90 seconds doesn't seem to be good enough to me maybe because we are used to 120 seconds of gameplay .

tbh all double sham seems to do is have shams fight against each other, and often isnt what i'd like at all. i want to kill mice, not try to kill half-heartedly and survive the attacks from a fellow sham.

When there's more than one shaman if they do get along it's very hard to survive. I think this makes it more fun and challenging, but I can see how it could annoy some users that aren't very good when there is only just one shaman. I love the badges idea! So cute and they also made some for racing. That was a good idea for people who play survivor so now they aren't just paying for fun. They can actually earn something from it besides cheese since there are easier ways to farm cheese besides survival.

Even though I HATE double shaman maps in vanilla/normal, and I haven't seen double shamans on survivor yet, I think double shamming on survivor sounds neat, but they should make it in a SEPERATE game mode, so you could at LEAST be aware your shamming with someone else...