*RAGE* PHEW, NOWADAYS I SEE MANY GUY USE SHIELD + MINE TO KILL OTHERS, AS YOU KNOW, SHIELD CAN MAKE SNIPER 17 DAMAGE TO BE 2 DAMAGE, ITS A VERY OP AND UNFAIR PERK!
Also, those guys always use this cheap skill: shield + mine/C4, idk who use this *cheap* skill at first and many guys follow this. Yeah, i also be punished that i am jealous of them, as these way to kill others?
I hope this perk can be like only half damage and not like you only get 2/17 (DUDE IT PROTECT THE DAMAGE MORE 80%!), or i will rage quit......

As outlined here, the shield currently makes all damage done to and by the user equal to 10% of the damage that would have normally been applied. As such, in this way it is fairly balanced for the most part.

People using it to drop explosives stinks, but the same tactic can be achieved without the shield. People "misusing" (for lack of a better word) explosives, and using them to kamikaze a group of people isn't an issue with the shield perk, but with the explosives themselves.

I do agree it's OP though, as in some maps you can use the shield, die, and by the time you reach the other side of the map it's recharged.

Conform or die. :) Join the kamikaze squad today!

If the majority (mostly confirmed player) thinks the shield + C4/Mine is OP, I suggest that C4 and Mine cannot be used during the activation of the shield (but high level matchs between experts would give a better opinion).

Or they could just make it so you can only have one perk or the other at a time, not entirely solve the issue but make it so it's preventable.

I really don't feel the combination is the problem. When perks first came out I didn't use shield, but was still able to bomb places just fine with a little bit of effort. The problem is the explosives, just as it's always been, not the shield. I'll admit the shield could use some balancing as well, but again, this is a problem of each individual perk rather than the combination.

Or at least that's my 2 cents.

The combination of the shield and mine perk is what's causing most of this to be really easy as a majority of the time people have to run into the group to place the mine and with the damage being little to none it makes it near impossible to kill said person in time before they put down a mine. Making it impossible to have this combination would really cut down on the cheap tactic but not entirely as it'll just make it more difficult and will probably spawn more alternatives to replace the perk making it even more over-powered without it.

The perks that should never have been a combination is the shield and mine/C4. Attack+ and mine/C4. And Mine/C4 by itself taking both slots as well. While I do agree that the shield and mine perk should be patched, they also need to focus on removing the attack+ bonus from it as well to really prevent people from abusing it even more.

In my honest opinion though, the game would be a lot better without these perks.

yeah, this game is being a shit after update, i prefer it updates that more game mode instead of many cheap way to kill people.....

though i agree that shields and some of the explosives are too OP and should be patched up , you don't need to sound like a jerk.
Seriously just chillax, is not like the end of the god dam world just because of adding in perks. You overreact to like EVERY SMALL mistake.

Here's my strategy to defeating this (Used many times by myself, successful most of the time):

When you see a person with the shield icon (For the shield perk) you run close to them and start spamming conjuration i front of them, preventing them from getting closer to your team to place mines/C4. In some cases this does require self-sacrifice for the better of the team. By spamming conjuration they must shoot or waste their C4/mines to break through. But by the time they break through it their shield perk has run out, or they're too far away for their mines/C4 to be effective.

This gives your team the opportunity to shoot them as they broke the wall separating the two.

Hope that helps a little. Because it definitely helps me a lot of the time.

My strategy for defeating this is using my own shield. This basically lets you defuse it (if a mine), or trick someone into blowing it early (sometimes), and as along as no one is currently in the way (either they moved / aren't there yet), quite effective. Still leaves a hole, but then, so do most fire-fights.

I also use the conj technique Jjaakkee mentioned if there's no snipers on my team (or it's a big team and only one sniper).

I usually just walk a little to the left, in other words move out of the blast radius.. But that's not the point, there's still issues with the perks that need to be fixed.

Yeah, the best way to prevent such bombings is conjuration and shield usages. I do that a lot to prevent fellow bombers from getting into the main area of attack.

Shield mine trick can be defended by conjuring into the shielder's path.
Plus anyone can do the shield mine trick, so it's not unfair

Ok shield is sucky now, when you use shield and shoot other people they also get shield. :l

I'm not sure what you're talking about? The shield perk (the one with the radius) has always been like that, it's the same with the medkit and attack+. As for Shelter (Invincibility) it's always knocked down your weapon's damage while it's in use because otherwise it'd be really over-powered. There's nothing wrong with the perks.

Shadowwinter a dit :

I'm not sure what you're talking about? The shield perk (the one with the radius) has always been like that, it's the same with the medkit and attack+. As for Shelter (Invincibility) it's always knocked down your weapon's damage while it's in use because otherwise it'd be really over-powered. There's nothing wrong with the perks.

He had meant the shelter perk which everyone had used to call shield perk. Again i'd prefer it to be no dmg taken income and outcomr.

If you're going to make it impossible to do damage to someone using this perk then you should also make it impossible to use another perk 5 seconds after this perk goes on cool-down to be fair if the whole point is that you can't do or receive damage.