Shelter isn't overpowered, you aren't invincible and can't inflitct heavy damage, rarely you kill more than 1 or 2 players in a SPAS rush.

Mine & C4 damage already reduced around 25, a mine is always avoidable.

If the ammunition act like health pack, it's o.k. , it's too slow.

What does CD mean? o-o

siuker a dit :

jackalpaw a dit :VoirMasquer

What does CD mean? o-o

CD stands for CoolDown,an other term is simply seconds.

+supergrunt a dit :VoirMasquer

Shelter isn't overpowered, you aren't invincible and can't inflitct heavy damage, rarely you kill more than 1 or 2 players in a SPAS rush.

Mine & C4 damage already reduced around 25, a mine is always avoidable.

If the ammunition act like health pack, it's o.k. , it's too slow.

I think shelter is OP because it's the only perk that affects yourself for a period of time.It's stable than other perks,while you run away from a scope it has no effects.
Hence many ppl use it.May be my bias that though most of the players use shelter,this is the main reason I want it to weaker a little bit.
For practice use of shelter,when two crowds fight,use it and stay at frontline to take all bullets.As a whole,even though I died,enemy side will take full damage and more deaths,worth it.I usually do it and wonder if this is fine?

For mine,I should say I need to remove it indeed hence it's unavoidable.
I,will not touch it for sure.But not for every teammates.I don't know why they still go to the mine and sometimes I get involved,so it's like a time bomb that you don't know when it explodes.If I don't do it,someone will do it.As a whole,we lose some hp.

In other situation,we need to attack a flag through a narrow path,and sure enemy put mines at the path.Except for touching the mine,another way is dig a new path.But it requires heavy digging,probably Uzi.
We should not assume every one have Uzi,when we do,this is not healthy.It means we don't even consider to use other secondary guns,those guns become redundant.
Hence while we don't have good digging ability,what can we do?30CD of shelter to 10CD mine,the ratio 30:10 is just weird.
Again,the main reason I want it be weaker,is simply because many ppl use it.

Overall,I think every weapons,perks should be adopted in average.If one are being used always,it's obvious unfair but not preference.

Shelter isn't that OP. In shelter it may be 0-1 hits if peopel shoot you but its also like that if you shoot other people, it's mainly for escaping and kamikazing.

I only agree with the c4 perk. I didn't read it through but i do believe that you want it to be buffed. I believe so too, maybe the cd can be lowered.

Although for shelter perk, you say that many people use it and that one person can activate it and stay in frontline taking all the bullets while ur team's bullets hit. Because many people use it does that not mean that the other team can do the same? I once went into a 7 people crowd just to look at how many people there were. Before i had jumped in i activated my shelter. I only stayed in for 4 seconds and already took 40% of my hp.

And for what supergrunt said, you can only kill so little people before dying in a "Spas rush". Usually i can't kill a single person. I think that the mines could have a little tweaking, not a buff or nerf, but change how it works. There is always a counter to everything, shelter perk and hp pack counters mines a c4. Not too many intermediate players know this but if you crouch and hit a mine you would take 15 dmg instead of 25.

Rage and shield perk are fine, it is very effecrtive in crossfires. if you put up a hp, shield, ammo, and rage ur team would have no problem taking down a team with 3 more people. Since they can apply to everyone inside it, its very useful. Game makers were afraid of this so they didn't make it 20% dmg less for shield perk. This would have made it overpowered, You crouch and you gain 40% defense plus shield is 60%. Idk if it works that way but you would obviously gain more defense. There is a reason why they nerfed aug. Although there were more than one reason one of them was becasue of rage. The aug used to deal 4-5 dmg, plus rage would make it almost 5 dmg every shot. which would mean in 8 shots you were dead.

The only reason you would want to stay still is if you are forced to. IF you are trapped inside blocks put up some defense or offense while you try to break the blocks. If an enemy decides to attack you, fight back. It is much more useful in teamfights like i had said before.

Overall i do believe that c4 should be buffed and that we should have something done about mines not nerf or buff a small remake. The balance issue was to prevent everyone from using the exact same gun that was superior to the others. I would appreciate it if the game makers would make each gun counter the other by speed dmg or ammo. I dont wnat it to specifically counter the exact gun but something like, p90 counters a gun like an95 because of its higher ammo and fire rate but it also counters a gun like g36c for same reasons.

Rage and shield are designed for use by teams.

e.g. individually: 17 + 15% extra attack = 19 or 20. (2 or 3 extra damage)
in a group: 150 + 15% extra attack = 172.5 (22.5 extra damage)

Much more worth using in a group. Shield is obviously the weaker of the two because as members of the team die its firepower and exposure to the enemy team's fire are negatively affected. The shield is the one that needs a bit of a stronger effect.


C4 is definitely underused (long cooldown and low damage) but it's the only perk that actually remains in place for a long time, allowing it to be used instantly at any time, and also used to hide mines. The hidden mines are usually the more devastating parts about C4.

Mines are abused a lot in the flag, and you either just avoid them or find some way to detonate them, that's what the shelter perk is for. However shelter perk is used a lot to protect people when they are about to die prolonging the game or running away as soon as they activate it. Shelter perk's effects should probably be reduced a little; the cooldown and time of effect is perfect but the additional defense is a bit too much.


Health pack is perfectly balanced. I use it personally and it's kept me alive for ridiculous amounts of time. Also designed for use with teams. 10 HP is perfect to cap it off, shouldn't be allowed more than that.


Ammunitions perk unfortunately suffers from a bug where users simply standing in it will only gain 2 ammo clips instead of 3 like they're supposed to. Ammunitions perk restores clips at 1 clip per 4 seconds, the first being restored 1 second after standing inside the scope of the perk.
Unfortunately, it suffers from a bug because the perk itself spits out a mini clip when its deployed, and if the user collects it immediately they will have to wait 8 seconds for the next clip instead of the proper 4.
The user can avoid this bug by running out from the scope of the perk immediately after deployment, run back in to collect 2 clips, and then collect the fallen clip to gain the third clip.
Some users can probably create a farm of mini clips with this perk but it suffers from the risk of the enemy coming in to take everything as well as ppl with high ping who will collect all of the clips at once before it increases their clip count.

I wouldn't change a thing: mine and shelter are both OP, they go perfectly well together. I don't care about C4. Health pack and Ammunitions are fine for me the way they are right now.

A majority of things people think are over-powered in this game can easily be avoided by either a little bit of conjuration, moving out of the way, or just waiting it out.

A majority of things people think are under-powered need to learn how, when, and where to use it considering a lot of it is about positioning.

In hindsight things may look a little over-powered and others a little under powered (which a few things are under-powered, to be honest) but in the end the player with a higher skill cap usually wins.

siuker a dit :

For practice use of shelter,when two crowds fight,use it and stay at frontline to take all bullets.As a whole,even though I died,enemy side will take full damage and more deaths,worth it.I usually do it and wonder if this is fine?

Me too but sometimes I lose with the team.

+ Ammunition perk, 30 seconds ? lol

I'm usually a spas user so my bias is usually base on a spas users,when it's actually not a problem in general.And my opinion is....

About rage,shield,health,ammo 4 Perks


Mine

shadowwinter a dit :

A majority of things people think are over-powered in this game can easily be avoided by either a little bit of conjuration, moving out of the way, or just waiting it out.

I understand the power of conjuring,this is the feature that make this game outstanding and unqiue.But the problem is the awareness of conjuring for public.Conjuring affects the whole gameplay,and everyone should use it.(and is one of the question I want to talk in another thread)

I will be so touching if a few of my teammates are able to conjure,but in my timezone they don't.
Sometimes the flag is in the sky,there are 3-4 enemies coming to the flag.After I died,I count how many lines of conjuring dots from base to flag.It's a single one.
I changed room with no doubt!

Shelter is best for placing C4 at campers. It makes you invulnerable to lots of damage. (Shelter+C4, Mine+Shelter)
In summary to your post, if you combo some of the perks, they can formulate deadly plans and can ultimately win the round for you.