Hatoncat a dit :

Your biggest argument for flying is that you had fun doing it. Not that it adds any gameplay value. I have fun getting first, but when shamans fly around for a minute and half, then cannon us in the last 30 seconds, it's hard to do that isn't it? This isn't just one shaman building, it's the one shaman building in service of the mice, and themselves to get saves. The propel ability serves the same purpose as flying, and is hardly even a notch below it.

that seems more like a problem with the players than the game, people are gonna screw around as sham no matter what you do and have been screwing around as sham since the game started, and if propel is the same thing, why not leave fly?

Topown a dit :

that seems more like a problem with the players than the game, people are gonna screw around as sham no matter what you do and have been screwing around as sham since the game started, and if propel is the same thing, why not leave fly?

Because flying with wings is pointless if you have propel.

Herpingderp a dit :

You my man... Read my mind.

makes sensr excatly what i was thinking

This is a game, I play to have fun and if I find the wings fun I think they should stay.
Simple, the point of a game (to its players) is fun, nothing else. Anything else is irrelevant.

Hatoncat a dit :

Because flying with wings is pointless if you have propel.

then leave the skill there? you're saying it overpowered it, now you're saying it's the same, make up your mind.

Topown a dit :

then leave the skill there? you're saying it overpowered it, now you're saying it's the same, make up your mind.

They serve the same purpose and have similar functions. Not that they are the same.

Topown a dit :

yes of course, just blindly insult me now, seriously mature. also physcolo why cant walljumping be applied? it was new at one point as this is and people probably complained it was OP too.

Wjing is a key aspect towards the game and how it is; in other words something that everyone can do without having to achieve a single thing. Wings on the other require you to level up a certain stage to even use that, so yes I think it isn't applicable towards the current situation. There's also the fact that being able to fly in itself brings the game far from it's original purpose, albeit being rather fun. However, the are other equally enjoyable skills which right now I only being ignored because people have gotten a taste of wings and want more of that yet ignore the others.

I kinda doubt people complained it was OP since there was hardly anything to the game back then lol, but anyway my main point is that the admins intended wings to be only for gliding and that they're standing by their decision, for the reason of it being way too over powered and others which they haven't cared to share with us. There's is really no need for any of this at all.

And fun is important to a game but just because something is cool doesn't mean you should destroy the game...allowing everyone to fly without being sham would be fun but that would just destroy the game.

Hatoncat a dit :

They serve the same purpose and have similar functions. Not that they are the same.

again, if it is as you say, then the tree is just as overpowered as before, hence making your previous argument incorrect by your own reasoning, again make up your mind.

I saw someone who had multiple clouds in a totem. Apparently existing totems are unaffected by this update. Please fix this in a future patch.

Topown a dit :

yes of course, just blindly insult me now, seriously mature.

also physcolo why cant walljumping be applied? it was new at one point as this is and people probably complained it was OP too.

When walljumping was discovered this game was essentially in its beta phase, had no forums, no stat tracking websites, no organized moderation staffs, no servers, and only two people working on it. It was indeed a bug but as time developed it became a beneficial bug that greatly expanded ways to play this game. Without walljumping, this game would have no use for bootcamp, racing, the majority of user made maps, survivor to an extent, and so on. What is Transformice losing by taking away the ability to fly? Honestly, outside of your own personal fun, what does it lose?

I'll mention this again because nobody seems to care: Prior to this update flying would get you perma-banned for hacking. The fact that people have a problem with Tig taking away the ability to fly hack for free is baffling.

Iluhchez a dit :

I'll mention this again because nobody seems to care: Prior to this update flying would get you perma-banned for hacking. The fact that people have a problem with Tig taking away the ability to fly hack for free is baffling.

^ This. 'Nuff said.

Yes, it would get you banned, but so would teleporting, spawning clouds and reviving, so that argument is thrown out the window with this new shaman skill update, or would we like to take all that out too?

Hatoncat a dit :

^ This. 'Nuff said.

Sure... But that's people flying to get firsts... Not shams. Sp jumping is easy to learn and the same as flying pretty much... Should that be banned? Flying was fun. But I'm sure people play this game for other reasons than fun because it's sooooooo useful to life outside their bedrooms. -.-

Topown a dit :

Yes, it would get you banned, but so would teleporting, spawning clouds and reviving, so that argument is thrown out the window with this new shaman skill update, or would we like to take all that out too?

In my personal opinion absolutely but that's because I'm old school. The revive I actually think was probably the best "hack" added to the game because it's actually a skill that mutually benefits both the mice and the shaman, since we've all had those moments where we've accidently died one plank away from completing our build.

Oh blah blah blah I think everything has been said so many times now it's getting annoying. The admins may or may not change it back. If we all just shut up and get on with it then maybe we can learn to like the new update. I don't think it's going to get changed back as it was a mistake to begin with. So I'm going to learn to like it. I'd love you all to stop fighting and do the same. Amen.

TBH I think more time should be spent trying to fix the wing skill so that the shaman isn't able to use that power when their turn is over rather than fuss about whether flying or gliding is the correct approach. I've seen many mice able to use the wing skill the next map after their sham turn and that seems like a bigger issue.

Herpingderp a dit :

Oh blah blah blah I think everything has been said so many times now it's getting annoying. The admins may or may not change it back. If we all just shut up and get on with it then maybe we can learn to like the new update. I don't think it's going to get changed back as it was a mistake to begin with. So I'm going to learn to like it. I'd love you all to stop fighting and do the same. Amen.

They knew people would complain, and they have always stuck to their decisions. If you are so lost without the ability to fly, you might as well quit, because it's not coming back.

Herpingderp a dit :

Oh blah blah blah I think everything has been said so many times now it's getting annoying. The admins may or may not change it back. If we all just shut up and get on with it then maybe we can learn to like the new update. I don't think it's going to get changed back as it was a mistake to begin with. So I'm going to learn to like it. I'd love you all to stop fighting and do the same. Amen.

^this but just one thing, if they didnt catch that obvious glitch, isnt that the fault of crappy testing?

Hatoncat a dit :

They knew people would complain, and they have always stuck to their decisions. If you are so lost without the ability to fly, you might as well quit, because it's not coming back.

Well I guess so... There are plenty of things to make the game interesting and I won't quit. I know people who will but they'll just have to find some game where admins take everyones command.

Topown a dit :

^this but just one thing, if they didnt catch that obvious glitch, isnt that the fault of crappy testing?

I have no idea. Perhaps to cause some sort of hoo har? It is a mystery but I don't think it's coming back so make the best of a so called bad situation and try out mixtures of other skills. ^^ It is annoying being able to do that without being banned but it's no longer here. So let's just party on with the other new cool stuffs! C:

Sydoline a dit :

It was way too much powerful too. ^^

I understand what You mean by powerful, but it was no easy task, it meant 3 jumps in a row to fly once, so you have to keep clicking up.

I think it was something that actually attached all mice on this. The how about this? Since a level 50+ person has to be very powerful, because it makes sense, how about you add a skill above all other top skills.

Meaning, you would add the old fly skill and make it the top of the 3 trees, due to its overpowerism. And whoever got the top 3 skills from each tree, could get that skill, how's that idea?