Rutabega a dit :

Not just hiding in a boat but haveing a gun fight with the police.

He had grenades. Legit grenades. You're telling me that a heavily armed person hiding from the police, and then fighting the police didn't do it?

There is also footage of him and his brother robbing a convenience store shortly after the bombing.

This is real and not fake.

Very true.

yes i do know that this situation is real
i do know about the watertown shooting
but most of this doesn't make any kind of sense to me

if they did steal the mercedes, why would they tell the owner of the car they bombed the marathon? why would they just allow the owner of the car to go free, and unharmed? if the brothers truely did do the bombing, and were heavily armed, why didnt they kill the owner of the car they 'stole'

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Erikadeedee a dit :

How long ago was THAT tweet.. I can't even find it.
Any evidence? Hmm? Alright.

He had set his backpack down right Martin Richard, 8 year old victim who was killed by a bomb. What do you think?
Do you think anyone else threw a bomb there? Of course, his backpack had a bomb in it.

tell me, did you NOT notice that his backpack was white? and his backpack didn't even look heavy from the way he was holding it. and also, after the explosions he still had the white backpack on his right shoulder. the picture they gave of the backpack with the explosives was black

Morpmorp a dit :

tell me, did you NOT notice that his backpack was white? and his backpack didn't even look heavy from the way he was holding it. and also, after the explosions he still had the white backpack on his right shoulder. the picture they gave of the backpack with the explosives was black

praise be.

Erikadeedee a dit :

He did it.

Police usually dont get this stuff wrong.

do they now.

Erikadeedee a dit :

He did it.

Police usually dont get this stuff wrong.

Not at all like there are always people complaining about sloppy policework.

I don't know why you guys think he's innocent.

The police did the best they could and I think they're heros.

ehhegeh

Erika, I thought you did law courses...?

Even if he DID do it, you have PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE. He is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. And regardless, HE HAS MIRANDA RIGHTS as a HUMAN BEING who was arrested in America. YOU CANNOT SEND HIM STRAIGHT TO PRISON (like some people in this threads have wanted).
I'm not saying he DIDN'T, however you can't automatically assume that he did.

Haruhitastic a dit :

Erika, I thought you did law courses...?

Even if he DID do it, you have PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE. He is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. And regardless, HE HAS MIRANDA RIGHTS as a HUMAN BEING who was arrested in America. YOU CANNOT SEND HIM STRAIGHT TO PRISON (like some people in this threads have wanted).
I'm not saying he DIDN'T, however you can't automatically assume that he did.

True.


They do need evidence, but I think that they got it right.

I mean, the clues are pretty obvious. Why would you ever hide in a boat when police are searching for a suspect? Obviously, he's hiding from them.

And, why be involved in a shootdown with the police?

It's obvious hes the one who involved in the BMB.

True, I'll give you that; but you regardless can't claim HE'S GUILTY THROW HIM IN JAIL. We still don't know if his brother dragged him into it (which it's my opinion he was, as many have said that they never would've expected). If that's the case, he may have had less involvement than believed.

Haruhitastic a dit :

True, I'll give you that; but you regardless can't claim HE'S GUILTY THROW HIM IN JAIL. We still don't know if his brother dragged him into it (which it's my opinion he was, as many have said that they never would've expected). If that's the case, he may have had less involvement than believed.

i feel that his brother threatened him

Haruhitastic a dit :

Erika, I thought you did law courses...?

Even if he DID do it, you have PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE. He is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. And regardless, HE HAS MIRANDA RIGHTS as a HUMAN BEING who was arrested in America. YOU CANNOT SEND HIM STRAIGHT TO PRISON (like some people in this threads have wanted).
I'm not saying he DIDN'T, however you can't automatically assume that he did.

No, no.
You obviously have no idea how things work in America.

People here aren't "humans",
we're all loyal subjects of King Legislative and Judicial branch.

See, when someone is assumed guilty by everyone in America through the media, they're no longer human.
They're not human. Therefore, they don't deserve any rights to be mirandized when they're initally "charged" of their crime.

Greekyogurt a dit :

No, no.
You obviously have no idea how things work in America.

People here aren't "humans",
we're all loyal subjects of King Legislative and Judicial branch.

See, when someone is assumed guilty by everyone in America through the media, they're no longer human.
They're not human. Therefore, they don't deserve any rights to be mirandized when they're initally "charged" of their crime.

Well as much of a downer as this is, you summed it up pretty well.

Tsarnaev isn't getting his Miranda Rights read anyway: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22243796

Due to the exception that 'the public may be in immediate danger'.

although i dont think he is completely innocent, i don't think he's completely guilty either. i still have a bunch of questions

they were doing a bomb drill during and in the area of the marathon. the bomb squad was there, and they had dogs that could sniff the bombs as well. how were they not able to find the bombs on time?

another thing that ticks me off is that the police said he ran over his brother. but now they're saying he fled on foot.
also they told his brother to strip naked and cuffed him, so where did the bruises
come from?

also when you heard they the two brothers had robbed 7-11, now they are saying they went to the same 7-11 a couple of hours later after the robbery. so what actually happened when they were at 7-11, and what did they have?

also who was the owner of the mercedes they had stolen. how was the owner able to report it to the police without being harmed? if the tsarnaev brother supposedly kiilled 4 people and injured about ~180 people, why didnt they kill the owner of the car?

the fbi had said they found him in a boat with a gunshot to his throat, but they also said he had no kind of weapons on him. he couldn't have attempted suicide if he had no weapons. so who shot him?

Rutabega a dit :

I don't know why you guys think he's innocent.

The police did the best they could and I think they're heros.

how could you possibly believe this?

It really was a terrible thing and all, but what baffled me was how gigantic the search for the second guy was. It looked like martial law in Watertown. 25,000 cops? Really? I mean, sure it's a terrorist, but after all he was only responsible for hm I don't know 1.5 deaths, since they were two. I don't want to sound disrespectful, I am really sorry for the terrible ending of three people's lives. But again, 25,000 cops is an outrageous amount of people to search for ONE guy. And then there's the aspect of the police going into the houses of everybody to search after the terrorist. That's even against the 3rd amendment of the US. Now you're probably going to reply with something along the lines of "Police searching through your house was voluntary. If you didn't want them in your house, they wouldn't have come in." But it would go pretty much like this:
Cop: Sir, could we please enter your house?
Guy: No, I don't want you in.
Cop: I am sorry Sir, but we now have reason to believe that you are hiding something or someone from the police. We will enter your home now.
If you think that's impossible, just think about how easy something like that could be done. I mean if someone actually would report the police to the authorities the cops would just say something along the lines of "Well, we saw a suspicious object in the household of that guy." Later it was just a trash bag after all and that'd be it.
The police should have treated the incident like a regular murder, not like the absolute and inevitable apocalypse.

Badluckyrat a dit :

That's even against the 3rd amendment of the US. Now you're probably going to reply with something along the lines of "Police searching through your house was voluntary. If you didn't want them in your house, they wouldn't have come in."

The Third Amendment (Amendment III) to the United States Constitution is a part of the United States Bill of Rights. It was introduced on September 5, 1789, and then three quarters of the states ratified this as well as 9 other amendments on December 15, 1791. It prohibits, in peacetime or wartime, the quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent.
"No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."
Here's some more cool info and why it was created.

This has nothing to do with searching someone's home. Searching homes in a locked down area is perfectly common and not against any laws or amendments.
If an area is locked down and a person denies permission to search the home, they will surround the home AND GET A SEARCH WARRANT from the sheriff. THEY WILL NOT BURST IN WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE OR WITHOUT A WARRANT.

Thunderai a dit :

Tsarnaev isn't getting his Miranda Rights read anyway: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22243796

Due to the exception that 'the public may be in immediate danger'.

He later had them read, mostly due to the right to remain silent being used in reference to more bombings..reference

Once the authorities felt satisfied that no such threat existed, a magistrate judge was brought to Mr. Tsarnaev’s bedside at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center on Monday. He was informed of his rights and the charges against him in the presence of a lawyer.

Mr. Tsarnaev, 19, nodded his understanding and during the proceedings spoke only one word — “no” — when asked if he could afford a lawyer. One was appointed for him.
Source

How are the people who got injured?...

It's so upsetting

and when the fbi searched his dorm, they found the same backpack he was wearing at the marathon

what

Morpmorp a dit :

how could you possibly believe this?

They are heros. They did their best to server their purpose.