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this is.... really immature honestly, especially to be on a public thread
you should talk with those who hurt you personally and one-on-one, not on a public thread
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Updated! Added art of medicine cats to the "is" tab.
Credit of drawings goes to Vulffe and gradient overlay done by Wanderlust.

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oblivionclan has an addiction to having hot forum profiles
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logs in case of edits !
Sporkl a dit :
lmao ok um
Mitzi a dit :
Spork, your issue was that we copied your coding for the forum, but we now have a far better one, thanks to Wanderlust, so really there’s nothing here for you anymore.
You also complained about us “kicking you out of the tribe” and “stealing your God idea” but those are....they’re just simply not true so I’m not going to touch those.
You really have nothing left to complain about, just leave.

Stop trying to call us and Vulf out. The only “dysfunctional” thing here is that you’re continuing to openly pursue a fight with everyone of OblivionClan, not to mention the fact that you can’t move on.

Honestly though? If you don’t quit it, I’m going to get a mod because no one wants to deal with you, Spork

No one:

Mitzi:
"i'M gOnnA GeT A mOd bEcAuse i CAnT hAndLE siTuaTioNS MYsElf"
lol


for people who aren't mitzi and dont suck:
I am sorry I'm fighting for a group i helped work on for 6+ years, OblivionClan is important to me. I love OblivionClan with all my heart, with or without members. Theres so much memories connected to it. When I first made it, it influenced my life and legit saved me. I got uninterested soon after, and left. Stuff happened, and I remade it to help me through another dark time. I wanted to make something to find people like me. Like... people who need an outlet from a stressful life. I mean.. screaming at people online, is way better than shooting up a school. I know I'm not a good person, I guess I lack empathy. I get way into projects, and end up easily hurting people. I'm the most self aware piece of garbage lol. I'm sorry I was too hard as a leader, and that I was bossy when I stepped down. I didn't think people actually listened to me.
I really care about this group, and I'm sad this all went so far. It's a bummer to see all you guys gang up on me, instead of actually talking to me. I'm doubtful you all want compromise, considering what you've all said, but I'm not opposed to it.

I still strongly believe I created the gods idea, and I will not apologize for how I acted when you all forced me to leave. It's just painful to watch you all chose to threaten me on the forums, than actually ask whats going on on discord. I'm not claiming I'm innocent in this. I just I don't see how I'm the monster, when 6-7 people are now ganging on me.
(don't even see why this is still a thing, seriously, the leaders should have tried to clear this up. It's their job to keep connections good. If anyone talked to me, even someone I didn't know, I wouldn't have gone so far, and you know it.)


I'm gonna touch on the argument, because no one will, and I'm not a pussy.

~~Before we yeehaw this~~
Wolf and Ari were near deputies when I stepped down as Bearstar. Chlo then took leadership with Mitzi before then, Chlo was the main leader at the time. Chlo would take my random advice as if I were George Washington, commanding the revolutionary army. It was dope ngl, I stepped down too early, and I'm happy Chlo let me speak up at times. When Chlo stepped down and left, Wolf agreed to listen to any advice I had, she even kept me in the leaders and deputies chat, until I asked to not take part in the chat.
~~ok note done~~

Yes I called Wolfdoge21, and Ari out on being inactive leaders, yes I recommended they both stepped down.
Now, I'd like to mention how the leaders never touch the discord, or transformice. Discord was meant to be for when "people cant go on tfm", "when we're talking about rp plot" , or "announcing roleplays or gatherings"
Wolfdoge goes online once a week, due to working hard irl. While Ari is too scared to lead in the first place, thanks to Mitzi bullying her. Both of our leaders were basically inactive at the time. We even had an event, a huge event, where StarClan punished OblivionClan finally. No leaders were online, or in any way part of it. We even did @'s at them, causing them to respond a day later, leaving the deputies and medics to deal with all the work.

~~side note~~I understand people can be busy, or have problems getting themselves out there. But if you know you're a busy person irl, or if you don't know how to lead a group in the first place, then don't take the job. It's unfair to the members, and the roleplay story if the leader doesn't do their job. 200 People are missing an experience because of selfish people who wanted a high rank. Don't read this in a Heather Chandler voice or you'll take it wrong, I'm trying to state facts and logic lmao.
~~side note~~

SO I GOT MAD AT THE LEADERSHIP. Ngl a lot of people were too.

I spoke gently in the main chat about this, and 2 warrior ranked people boldly agreed. So I got hyped up! I thought could help ObC with their low member crisis, new leaderships change everything. I moved to conversation to the "Ideas for clan" chat, and the chat began with Wolf and Ari needing to step down, I mean both of our deputies were active and ready. After some notice, a few people logged on to share their opinion. Drama attracts everyone after all. Soon, only 1 leader logged on, Wolf.
She instantly started an argument, instead of observing the situation, and solving it. Wolf obviously didn't want to step down, and took everything personally (which I'm surprised of, Wolf and I were friends...). Wolf then claimed they were crying, the stress got to them.
Suddenly, all the people that backed me up turned on me. Everyone went to comfort Wolf, and no matter what I said, Wolf and everyone else would accuse me of attacking her. So I left to let you all cool down, and no one messaged me. No one wanted me back I guess?

I dont even know what I want out of this, I just wanted your guys attention.

Sporkl a dit :
OblivionClan is full of such vicious people, you guys are the opposite of a healthy group. I didn't leave either, you all flipping forced me out of my own clan and stole all the hard work I put in it. It's like you all stabbed me in the back and are dancing over my dying body. I thought we all were friends?
Please stop stealing from me, if you're not on TFM anymore then ignore the forum, delete it maybe?

How about you all get your own ideas? I worked so hard on that plot, no one helped me! I picked the gods, picked their powers, wrote their personalities, and offered to hand them out.
Wolf NEVER did anything like that, and she's still leader for some reason.

Vulffe a dit :
???? We didn’t kick you out??? You insulted our leaders, made them upset, made *everyone* upset, then left. We didn’t force you out of OblivionClan. We could have talked it over, but you chose to treat us like shit and then claim we were stealing your ideas. We came up with our OWN OC’s personalities and many of us came up with our own powers. You gave your own OC’s their personalities.

We used your coding as a temporary forum page. It’s not staying up forever. We’re all working to get a new one that doesn’t use your coding. I agree that we should have asked permission, but it won’t happen again.

I honestly don’t know why you still care so much? You keep coming back for no reason. You’re acting exactly like how Ame or Pen was, and you were the one making fun of them. It’s childish as hell.

In all the time you were in OblivionClan, we did nothing but support you. We did our best to make you feel better. And we sacrificed ideas we liked when you didn’t like them. If you had let us negotiate with you, we’d still be doing the same. But you left on your own volition for a silly disagreement, then acted like it was our fault.

Just stop replying. If you keep this up, you’ll never get over it. But if you ever want to talk it out with our leaders and deputies, I’m sure they’d be happy to let you back in.

Sporkl a dit :
After all that, you're inviting me back to OblivionClan? Um?
Oh the 5 likes explains why this response is dysfunctional, did you all write that together? How about you all actually talk to me about the situation, instead of hiding behind Vulffe.

Sporkl a dit :
You guys stole my coding style, and or copied it.
Can you please not use my work without my permission? It's disrespectful and immature.

Sporkl a dit :
Wow copied my gods idea too? Hm...



hi! technically-a-bystander here, and the person who's been working on the coding & editing. i just want to give my two cents on this issue here, because it seems like the people involved aren't handling this the best way possible. getting different point of views, esp from people who aren't involved, can help those in the middle of it see the full picture and help remove any bias that can stop the problem from being solved.
so! trying to take about everything in chronological order, here i go!
note: i ramble a lot, please excuse this!

starting ~early-mid april
so, from what i know, this generally started after sporkl finished the allegiance art and ari announced that she was stepping down. this really spurred sporkl's declaration that both wolf and ari need to step down;
Spork04/19/2019
im saying
wolf and ari need to drop down together

so, two sides came up with this (it was mainly a 1.5 vs 5 but yknow)
sporkl's side: if you're inactive you shouldn't be leader
(idk what to name this so...) everyone else's side: wolf has a life and thus should be excused

this issue was never solved. the only thing that happened was that the opposing side left.
that's, personally, not a good way to really respond to anything. on either side. both sides weren't, cooperating in a sense.
sporkl brought up a good point, if you don't have the time/mental health to lead something, then you shouldn't be leading it. however, i feel that this really got brushed away. i've been consistently logging to discord for around 2 weeks now to work on the coding for the forum. i understand wolf was on vacation during most of this, but when she announced she was back i've only seen her once or twice.
i don't think you have to be on every day to be a good leader. i think you need to be active enough to interact with everyone and properly execute and suggest ideas. wolf has not demonstrated either of those. ari hasn't either. mitzi and chell have, however.
that's a valid concern, esp when you're concerned about the activity and wellbeing of a group.
i don't think the "everyone else" side handled this correctly. someone suggested stopping, without solving the problem, because itd "become an argument." wolf... played this guilt thing? i don't like using the "oh you played the guilt trip card" but you shouldn't be saying "i know i'm not fit to be leader" and not doing anything. there isn't one step to solving a problem. i think that, a lot of people are ignoring this fact. if you want something to happen, build a plan, an argument on why that should be done, and do it.

understanding people have a life is one thing. that's not the cure-all answer though.

i'm not saying sporkl is the good guy in that situation either, he also pulled somethings that weren't the solution either. saying "oh but i'm always the bad guy" shouldn't be your first answer. he did cross the line. he tried to make a point and when people interpreted his message wrong, he just left instead of trying to explain what he was trying to do. this has only caused more problems and more drama over this. also, it wasn't exactly gently as sporkl stated. it was not harsh, of course, he came at it with a decently calm manner. it simply got passive-aggressive at some parts and the whole end was very aggressive. enough to get someone emotional, at least.

this, then lead to a few things:
- the deletion of the forums
- the whole passive-aggressive thing about stealing coding and artwork
- stolen ideas.
- this; forums drama & such.

and, again, to address each of these i'll try and go about them chronologically.
- deletion of the forums:
this was a spurr of the moment happening, and i agree it wasn't the best course of action. there wasn't much you could do however, other than work on another and move on.
- coding/art thief
this was, much more on the iffy side for me. i agree artwork shouldn't be used without permission. but... coding? the old oblivionclan code was pretty simple, as all bbcoding is. i don't exactly agree with "you stole my coding" unless it's something revolutionary. this is my opinion but, i feel it was made into a big deal out of pure pettiness.
- idea thief
i heavily disagree with sporkl on this, sorry. having a new religion and making your own gods isn't a new idea in all retrospect. it was something new for obc, but it shouldn't be "copyright claimed" or such. just because you left sporkl, doesn't mean that people are not allowed to continue to work on ideas. it's unfair to say "okay, i know you're in the middle of making this but i did most of it and made it & i'm leaving so... you can't use this anymore!" other people still worked on it. other people still want to see it become a thing. it's not all about you.
- finally, everything that's been said recently.

first off, i think it is perfectly reasonable to get mods involved if it is needed. "i'M gOnnA GeT A mOd bEcAuse i CAnT hAndLE siTuaTioNS MYsElf" is a stupid thing to make fun of. that's analogous to saying "i'm being harassed but i'm a pussy if i get the police involved." purging messages/leaving an argument isn't a 100% way to solve arguments (as shown by sporkl leaving), but it can help solve some issues. (ex drama coming to a public forum)
handling situations should be talked out to an extent, yes, but you shouldn't be called a pussy or something for removing completely petty comments. (ex. "oh you're stealing my gods idea too now?")
secondly, sporkl, stop pulling this victim card. "i get it, i'm an asshole" doesn't solve shit, esp when you put "but i'm not in the wrong!" after (shown by "I still strongly believe I created the gods idea, and I will not apologize for how I acted when you all forced me to leave.")
a lot of good points are brought up on both sides. however, a lot of bias is coming between the two. bias as in emotional hurt and experiences that aren't letting people see the other person's shoes. (this is BOTH sides by the way. wolf/ari are being, i don't how to explain this, emotional about it? "pulling the emotional card" ? and sporkl is playing as the victim) i struggle with this too, i'm not saying it's easy to do but it certainly is possible.
lastly, both sides are offering to "talk it out" but neither is doing anything. you want to solve this? stop being pussies about it and be the first to dm each other.
"It's just painful to watch you all chose to threaten me on the forums, than actually ask whats going on on discord."
"But if you ever want to talk it out with our leaders and deputies, I’m sure they’d be happy to let you back in."

tl;dr: everyone's bein dumb and letting a whole lot of bias get in the way of actually coming up with a solution

any other replies will be answered through discord or dms, thank you. (discord: wanderlust#3331)

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Vulffe
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I agree we handled it badly. I’d seriously be willing to talk it out with anyone.
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id message them but i got drunk and unfriended everyone the day after
Heartofquartz
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drunk- wait wth
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Sorry if I sound a bit rude to anyone, but I just really want to clarify this.

Why don't we just... let this whole thing go? From what I have heard, it sounds like no one is gonna be satisfied if we keep fighting about it, so why don't we just let this go? The past is the past, we really don't need to push things further than they already have been pushed. I know I was never even around for any of this, but I've heard enough to know about the situation going on. If it's all in the past, why keep fighting over it? It's not like we can change what we have done.
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Cosmofox a dit :
Sorry if I sound a bit rude to anyone, but I just really want to clarify this.

Why don't we just... let this whole thing go? From what I have heard, it sounds like no one is gonna be satisfied if we keep fighting about it, so why don't we just let this go? The past is the past, we really don't need to push things further than they already have been pushed. I know I was never even around for any of this, but I've heard enough to know about the situation going on. If it's all in the past, why keep fighting over it? It's not like we can change what we have done.

agreed
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im never gonna let it go unless they actually talk to me.
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Updated! Added art of Bristlestar and Halfstar to the leader portion of the allegiance, thanks again to artist Vuffle.
Note, Halfstar is not leader just yet, although he will be soon.

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ooga chaka ooga chaka ooga ooga chaka
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can i join?
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Sure! But we’re primarily a discord Clan so I can pm you an invite link if you want
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Congratulations to new leader Half-star (Chellcat) and deputy Dragonflame (Wings)!!

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i love him
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h e c k
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good omens is a very good book
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