Shadowwinter a dit :

Not sure what you're trying to say here. Flying was a bug, I'm pretty sure that's why it was fixed.

i wasnt really defending wings i was just trying to say that walljump is actually quite gamebreaking.

basically every shaman has the chance to get wings if they want to.

Shadowwinter a dit :

Wall-Jumping isn't game-breaking because anyone can do it, and the only time you can actually wall-jump something is if the ground has enough friction to do so.

I stand by my point, if a map-maker doesn't want you wall-jumping something then they should have made the ground ice.

Just to add onto that. Wall-jump is preventable while the wings weren't. This isn't directed at you but for people who still think the wings weren't "game-breaking".

Shadowwinter a dit :

I stand by my point, if a map-maker doesn't want you wall-jumping something then they should have made the ground ice.

Just to add onto that. Wall-jump is preventable while the wings weren't. This isn't directed at you but for people who still think the wings weren't "game-breaking".

at the time of its release it was gamebreaking thats what im trying to say...
and anyways you still can get vertical height with wings still..

Paperonaruto a dit :

at the time of its release it was gamebreaking thats what im trying to say...
and anyways you still can get vertical height with wings still..

I don't think it was really that game breaking back then to be honest because again, everyone could have done it but chose not to learn how too. Wall-jumping takes time to learn and master, unlike spamming the up key..

Shadowwinter a dit :

I don't think it was really that game breaking back then to be honest because again, everyone could have done it but chose not to learn how too. Wall-jumping takes time to learn and master, unlike spamming the up key..

ouo its still was gamebreaking as the maps were probably never meant to considerthat to be possible

Paperonaruto a dit :

ouo its still was gamebreaking as the maps were probably never meant to considerthat to be possible

And there were maps that were impossible to solo with wall-jump. Your point?

Opening up maps isn't a bad thing. It also opened up a lot of concepts for the game and honestly made the game what it is today.

Still fail to see how it's game-breaking.

Shadowwinter a dit :

And there were maps that were impossible to solo with wall-jump. Your point?

so it kinda opened up lots of maps -o-...

anyways i worry that the demolition skill may be abit dangerous.
it could be used to crash maps

Shadowwinter a dit :

Opening up maps isn't a bad thing. It also opened up a lot of concepts for the game and honestly made the game what it is today.

Still fail to see how it's game-breaking.

it was not it is.

Paperonaruto a dit :

it was not it is.

I'm pretty sure my grammar is correct, unless you can prove other wise. Now we should probably get back on topic.

can anyone explain the ambulance skill?

Kingfawas a dit :

can anyone explain the ambulance skill?

Revives mice that have died. Does not revive mice that afk death.

There should be a skill to get more items for totems. I really love making totems and especially flying ships with some kind of mechanism but because I can only use 20 items it's hard... and some of the abilities.. arent really needed <.< (like the dance and sit ones)

I dont really like the level things anyway its a bit annoying but its propably just me so whatever..

Paperonaruto a dit :

wall jumping is gamebreaking...
it basically meant you could travel places that others couldnt,

Wall-Jumping was something anyone could do with practice and determination, and it had its limits. You couldn't just wall jump an ice block and get a 1st, you could only go up grounds with enough friction. While a shaman flying could take them just about anywhere, save them from dying when it shouldn't, and really just overpowered a shaman who had it greatly. In Survivor, the shaman was nearly impossible to beat since they had full mobility. And besides, you can still accomplish the same tasks if people would wise up and use the Wind Master tree properly, instead of whine about how they can't fly with the wings.

Paperonaruto a dit :

btw it is possible at level 100 to get all three last skills.

so it is not.

ouo

I don't even see what you're trying to say here, this doesn't make any sense in response to what Shadowwinter said below.

Shadowwinter a dit :

Back in the day everyone could still learn how to. Flying was only limited to shaman and back in the day and still is considered a hack. Flying was a bug.

So, I'm a bit lost on that 2nd quote.

Hatoncat a dit :

So, I'm a bit lost on that 2nd quote.

Was trying to say that before skills were around if you saw someone flying it was consider hacking, but when a shaman does it with wings it's considered "okay" by the players. Just a bit of comparasion, I should have made it more clear. My bad x.x

Hope that clears things up, though.

Shadowwinter a dit :

Was trying to say that before skills were around if you saw someone flying it was consider hacking, but when a shaman does it with wings it's considered "okay" by the players. Just a bit of comparasion, I should have made it more clear. My bad x.x

Hope that clears things up, though.

They clearly have a God Complex, but who does not?
We all have that insatiable infatuation with power and now we do not need hacks to accomplish that goal.

Shadowwinter a dit :

Was trying to say that before skills were around if you saw someone flying it was consider hacking, but when a shaman does it with wings it's considered "okay" by the players. Just a bit of comparasion, I should have made it more clear. My bad x.x

Hope that clears things up, though.

Not what you said, but what Paperonaruto said. You make sense, but what is quoted below doesn't.

a dit :

btw it is possible at level 100 to get all three last skills.

so it is not.

ouo

55 points needed for 1 full tree

how2 get 165 points if level 100 is max ;_;

maybe we get double points after level...60-70-80?

I wish they didn't change flyig...:C