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| @3478040 - This part of the map feels very very random. In many rooms I see mice get stuck on this part and often are unable to find the correct way to consistently overcome this obstacle and end up leaving the room in search for a more doable map  Edit Mapcrew: It will be put up for deperming. |
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Jasseh a dit : Editted. M23 a dit : Editted. Refused a dit : It's far better and less frustrating of an experience for the shaman and the mice if the gap was easier to get through at the expense of some mice slipping with effort than for it to be difficult to force mice through just so mice can't escape on their own. Leaving it as it is. Eremia a dit : It looks like only the inside side ice walls of the cage have high restitution, however how can these be abused? It'd take considerable effort to come up with some sort of contraption to abuse them which I can't imagine ever happening in an actual survivor room. They also have the benefit of allowing the shaman to more easily get across the cage so simply editing it to proper ice grounds will have a negative experience for the shaman. Leaving it as it is. M23 a dit : Gameplay of the map is fine, the only thing mentioned that is concerning is how consumables can be abused to block the cage, however there isn't an easy way of preventing it without making drastic changes to the gameplay of the map and since it seems quite rare for mice to attempt to fill the cage with consumables I don't think it's worth ruining or getting rid of the map for it. If the consumable abuse is something that proves to happen far too often then the map may be editted/discussed in the future but for the time being I'm leaving it as it is. +Guai a dit : Yes the map is slightly harder than most maps for the mice however I don't think it's too problematic. Leaving it as it is. +Guai a dit : It's quite an exaggeration to say a single box kills all the mice, in reality it typically takes a couple of repeated, precise and quick attempts to manage to clear the majority of the room. Using boxes is not a bad thing, and having one or two maps out of hundreds that encourages the shaman to use boxes is perfectly fine. Leaving it as it is. +Guai a dit : Very rarely does the shaman manage to kill everyone quickly, and against the average shaman some of the mice do manage to get up to the shaman. Leaving it as it is. +Guai a dit : The ice area is the key difference between this map and many others that are similar in appearance. Without it mice will stop camping the area, and spread out just like in the other similar looking maps. Camping the ice comes with a huge risk, a slight knock by a cannon/spirit/object and you can easily die. Leaving it as it is. +Guai a dit : This isn't new and it is well known. It's an easier map for the mice compared to the average. It is only because of the fact that it's nearly impossible to get rid of mice if they manage to make it up that shamans are very careful about how they cannon the mice below. If it were easy to get rid of the mice if they manage to make it up then shamans won't have a reason to not just spam left cannons as fast as they can without hesitation like they usually do on most maps. Leaving it as it is. +Guai a dit : It isn't expected for mice to reach the top left ground and I've never seen mice manage to reach there without shaman intentionally helping them. I pretty much consider it as a decoration for the aesthetic of the map. Even if there was a slim chance mice can reach it through luck and skill at that point they've earned it and justifies it being difficult for the shaman to target. Bringing the grounds closer as suggested in the screenshot changes everything. Now mice realistically can get up to the top left ground and now the map must also be balanced so that the shaman can target them. With all those adjustments the unique aspect of the map- the unusually sharp downward angle the shaman attacks in the original map, is lost. The map has little to nothing unique about it anymore. Leaving as it is. +Guai a dit : The shaman not having access to the bottom part of the map isn't a problem of it's own, its perfectly fine to have a part of the map inaccessible from spawn if it's fairly easy to relocate to a position where the shaman can then attack them. As you've already described it, the concept of this map is to clear out the mice in the middle level then descend down to the middle level and then clear out the mice at the bottom level. The only issue with this map is that it is a bit time-consuming and difficult to do all this within 90s however I don't think the difficulty is too concerning. Leaving as it is. +Guai a dit : The two things mentioned counteract each other and somewhat balance the map, hence how it's survived in rotation for all these years. It's a map that's fairly unique and plays reasonably well. Though I admit it isn't my favourite, I do think it has it's place in rotation. Leaving it as it is. +Guai a dit : This map is one of the more balanced maps in rotation in my opinion. Low number of grounds doesn't automatically mean it favours the shaman. It's perfectly fine. Leaving as it is. +Guai a dit : Similarly to @304198, the map is one in which the shaman has to be careful how they spawn cannons. The cheese and the numerous gaps between short grounds are a crucial part of the map that make it more difficult for the mice to survive. Leaving it as it is. +Guai a dit : The issue mentioned is known. It's considered worth keeping due to it's simplicity, and also it isn't as bad as it's made out to be because of how easily mice can reach up and then hug the shaman to make it harder for the shaman. Leaving it as it is. +Guai a dit : Similar concept to the other map. Essentially same thing again, it's known but we've kept it because it's simple and a mistake by the shaman results in it becoming alot easier due to hugging. Normally when maps have such similar concepts I'd be in favour of removing one, but considering these maps have been around for a long while, don't immediately remind me of the other, and the fairly generic nature of survivor maps as a whole, I don't think it's a problem to keep them both around. Leaving as it is. +Guai a dit : It uses ramp to offset the things mentioned- and ramps are typically something poorly used in maps as they can easily be problematic for the shaman to deal with mice that camp them however in this map they are not. On the whole it's fine. Leaving it as it is. +Guai a dit : Funnily enough this was a suggestion I myself had discussed with the others as a votecrew back in late 2015 after seeing how symmetrical it looks and how rarely mice get to the right side of the map. It's a seemingly logical suggestion however as was decided at the time and I've since come to realize, such an edit would negatively impact the balance of the map as the shaman would have too much trouble trying to prevent mice from climbing the middle ground on both sides. The shaman currently already is put in a position where they have to constantly spam down cannons just to keep the mice from climbing the middle ground from one side, and when they do this they cannot spare any attention to the mice that are just patiently waiting at spawn. Trexexjc a dit : Unfortunately the map already uses 50 grounds and there isn't a ground that can be taken away from the map without looking a bit off. This is the first time I've seen or heard this complaint about the map however if it happens fairly frequently we'll see if we can do something about it at the expense of the appearance if necessary. Leaving it as it is. Trexexjc a dit : Editted. Trexexjc a dit : Editted. This isn't the place to really discuss this so I'll try to keep it short since it's relevant. Lately I've noticed many people seem to think that old P10 maps don't meet our "current standards" but this is simply false. Maps that look like our old P10 maps won't be accepted now not because they aren't meeting our standards, but because they already exist in rotation. Also some features which generally aren't enjoyable or difficult to balance that are used in maps and which are abundant in our older maps are features we really do not want more than a very few maps in rotation to have. That doesn't mean we should remove every map that has those features, because without them the rotation will only be even more generic. This isn't to say that old survivor maps won't be depermed every now and then, but certainly not as often or as many as most people seem to believe- it's only the old survivor maps that have stood the test of time and survived many generations of survivor mapcrews. |
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| @3495655 - P7 you can get softlocked here  simply move the roof up or down a couple 5-10 pixels and this should fix the issue Edit Katow: Edited thanks |
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