I'm the worst commenter ever ;;

Cheeseloverx a dit :

1. Enough to keep coming back for 3 years for SOME DAMN REASON.
2. Okay.
3. ????
4. ???????????????

3 . Adults play games because they liked this type of fun when they were kids
4. Related to 3

I'm sorry, but what exactly is the point of this thread? This just seems like a discussion about a whole lot of nothing. I thought this was a thread dealing with the influx of underaged users, so I'm not sure why I'm seeing arguments about the morality of joking about rape and... the color of html text and its reflection on personalities?

Generalizing players of any age on this game never works since I've seen people of all ages act like total dunces. Perhaps the younger crowd tends to be more problematic, but singling them out as the sole source of bad behavior isn't really justified in my opinion. People can misbehave at any age, so you can't restrict all < 13 users from participating on the forums just because of their age, even if you disagree with it. Transformice doesn't completely ban underaged users from joining, only a parental agreement and a scan of the Terms of Agreement/Service on their part is required. Since a written agreement isn't necessary, there's no way of verifying their parental consent, so it's very easy to circumvent the rule about being 13 or older to join. Also, on a side note: COPPA is an American federal law so its jursidiction mainly applies to US-based entities. Its scope can also reach out to international bodies, but that's only if the company is directly marketing the service to underage American children and/or knowingly allowing American underages to use their service. There are a ton of legal loopholes here that I'm not going to describe, but I'm sure you're all aware of how easy it is to avoid COPPA, so mentioning it here is kind of meaningless.

So, back to the online juvenile delinquency thing -- if their posts violate rules concerning spamming/insults, report them or contact a Sentinel. If the same thing happens in-game, ignore them and report them or contact a moderator. I know it seems like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound, but if they're not visibly breaking any rules, then what can you do?

I also don't agree with this being a discussion about manners/courtesy on the part of their parents. I was never taught the rules of online courtesy by my parents (although maybe I was a bit too old for that kkkk). People don't always act the same on the internet as they do in real life, so this doesn't have much to do with children's upbringings.

With that being said immaturity should be dealt with on a case by case basis. Report someone if they're breaking the rules (the rules of the game/forums, not your own personal rules on posting content). I really don't like the influx of young users either, but I'm not complaining about it just because I don't want to read their comments. I don't spend as much time on the forums as some of you do so I don't know the full extent of how bad this situation has gotten, but I tend to just ignore the low-quality comments and move on. If they break rules, then I'll report them and move on. It's really that simple. It's an awful suggestion, I'll admit, but it's difficult to restrict children/underages from infiltrating any part of the internet, especially when that part features cute mousey arts.

Also, about rape and other touchy subjects. I'm in 1000000% agreement that rape is an absolutely horrific experience that no one should have to endure. While I'm not personally a victim, I have been through other hardships which I'd prefer not to discuss because of their nature. I'm sympathetic to those of you who are easily triggered by ridicule of these kinds of things but I remind you that these forums (and the internet as a whole) aren't catered to your personal histories. Other people may not find things as sensitive as you may find them, unfortunately. That's kind of how life works.

I'll actually admit the above paragraph makes me sound like an insensitive asshat and I apologize for that. I'm not really sure how to word it otherwise. Also I'd like to remind you that some of you are stooping down to the maturity level of the very children we're discussing.

Sorry for the long post! I tried to hit as many of the points of this thread as I could... I planned on giving my two cents but I ended up giving my whole wallet.

Muffun a dit :

long bit about coppa

Thank you for that actually; I read over the actual law while replying to this discussion and I thought I had seen something like that. Thank you for the confirmation.

Muffun a dit :

and another bit about triggering and things

I can understand that pretty well too. I realise that not everybody understands those kinds of things are hurtful. The reason that was brought up is as a general rule, younger users don't realise the severity of those subjects and find them funny (things they pick up from TV and idols *coughpewdiepie* doesn't help either).

tl;dr you are a fine lad muffles thanks u <3

I am younger than 13, I won't say how much, and about 3 years ago I was a really good kid. Then I started up playing this game (it will not be named) and I got into some really bad stuff. I started acting badly around friends, and family. Next thing you know I was watching pornography and saying the occasional bad word. Then I got into a gang-like internet chat group who kinda 'taught' me how to be bad.

But then it hit me what i was doing. i told my parents and they accepted it and we moved on, but every day i cant help thinking of how i was back then and think "What if i still act like i did before?"

I was really affected by that game, which was actually literally intended for all ages. 4 year olds played it, for gods sake. There were disney characters and fun but not too scary enemies. Yet of course, people heavily disregarded all rules and found other similiar words to say instead of the 'bad' words, so they wouldn't get caught.

I remember my mother recieving an email saying I had a 'warning' from the game employees, it stated what i said, and that I had been reported. Ever since I had felt a bit guilty inside. Luckily I matured up long after and tried to better my life. I can't say I really have a great life now, but at least i dont go around insulting people harshly. My actions, quitting the games that affected me badly, were a gigantic life choice i made that was the best thing i ever did. Sometimes when I'm reminded of my past I cringe and get that 'gut' feeling that your worthless and deserve to be punished, that terrible guilty feeling. But really, I'm truly glad that I made the decision to quit.

It's kinda like smoking, or drugs. You start and you can't stop, and there's bad consequences. Then you start to realize... 'Wait, am I really doing this to myself?' and that's when it hits you- the guilty feeling. Then you either turn your life around or lead a terrible and short life.

Rattyshrug a dit :

It's kinda like smoking, or drugs. You start and you can't stop, and there's bad consequences. Then you start to realize... 'Wait, am I really doing this to myself?' and that's when it hits you- the guilty feeling. Then you either turn your life around or lead a terrible and short life.

If you end up playing a game and equating it to the addictiveness of smoking or drugs then there's really nothing to say other than seek professional medical help.

Internet addiction is a classified mental illness so yes; medical attention may be needed.

Lagiacruss a dit :

That's kind of rude to tell her to seek medical help over that; some games can be highly addicting, and she was just making a comparison.

It's a simple rule of thumb considering the analogy she used made it seem so severe. I wouldn't have said what I said if she didn't give off that impression (See: lead a terrible and short life, it was a gigantic life choice etc).

It's either serious on her part as to how addictive it was, or awful phrasing.

And cheers Haru too o/

Haruhitastic a dit :

Thank you for that actually; I read over the actual law while replying to this discussion and I thought I had seen something like that. Thank you for the confirmation.


I can understand that pretty well too. I realise that not everybody understands those kinds of things are hurtful. The reason that was brought up is as a general rule, younger users don't realise the severity of those subjects and find them funny (things they pick up from TV and idols *coughpewdiepie* doesn't help either).

tl;dr you are a fine lad muffles thanks u <3

It's just difficult because everyone has their own viewpoints on controversial issues, and yes, children/people who act like children do too. They'll eventually learn how their dialogue affects others and become more empathetic to the plights of others. Well, at least I hope so! :P

Thanks for being open-minded and understanding.

Rattyshrug a dit :

It's kinda like smoking, or drugs. You start and you can't stop, and there's bad consequences. Then you start to realize... 'Wait, am I really doing this to myself?' and that's when it hits you- the guilty feeling. Then you either turn your life around or lead a terrible and short life.

*before reading, my answers are basically skipping hereand there*

Actually,... im getting confuse with the whole thread overall cause alot has happened @_@
but i just wanna sayy to this guy: Whatever decision you make, you can do them, just face the conequences, thats all.
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Well is their decision that the underage children wants to learn the bad words,
Since they want to be like that then ok, let them face their concequences in future :/
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I cant really call this a "discussion" thread anymore, because it is not giving an answer. All we have is experiences and point of views, but no answer to all this chaos.

._. I'm 13. I'm usually the one saying," No one is a noob" and occasionally, though for me it doesn't really turn up, "Rape jokes aren't funny". I personally had a great upbringing (I love my Mom) and though I do swear sometimes, it's never sexual (unless I am very, very pissed off. Not very proud of it. But that teacher made my friend cry.)
So...well, admittedly I sound mature (on tfm, anyway) but I'm not quite too mature, seeing as how I do post "@#$%" sometimes (written AS @#$%, it's supposed to be "shit" but who really thinks that) and I'm lazy and irresponsible. I mean, I'm not going to insult anyone intentionally, nor will I EVER use rape jokes, but I'm not perfect. That's how I am. I have been playing since I was 10, and I eventually grew up and stopped posting sexual (look I was an idiot) insults. Then again, I only ever did it once ._. However, a fanfic (One Simple Word on fanfiction.net) gave me a strange impression- I had never called anyone a noob, and I felt it was wrong to do so, but I didn't say anything against those people calling others noobs. Basically, I wrote a comment about how bad it was to call people noobs. The author PMed me back and agreed with me. Somehow...it motivated me to start speaking up for those called noobs. I've always done so since.

In my opinion, kids (like me) need time to grow. Over the years, even without guidance, we see that...sexual insults and the like are wrong. It's not nice to insult people and we should speak up for them. (Unfortunately there are still people calling others noobs. Why go out of your way to offend someone? Does it make you happy? Because it shouldn't. It's wrong.)

i agree weth this some ppl are so young and teh come 2 the room and just spam word and that noob sign so i agree weth this thread

Tip!

You dnt sound meture if u tlk leik dis

I noticed Haru bring up Pewdiepie and godsake how he freely throws around rape and claims that game characters are 'raping him' is actually cringe-worthy.

Muffun a dit :

Generalizing players of any age on this game never works since I've seen people of all ages act like total dunces. Perhaps the younger crowd tends to be more problematic, but singling them out as the sole source of bad behavior isn't really justified in my opinion. People can misbehave at any age, so you can't restrict all &lt; 13 users from participating on the forums just because of their age, even if you disagree with it.

So, back to the online juvenile delinquency thing -- if their posts violate rules concerning spamming/insults, report them or contact a Sentinel. If the same thing happens in-game, ignore them and report them or contact a moderator. I know it seems like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound, but if they're not visibly breaking any rules, then what can you do?

I couldn't agree with this more! It's not really a case of what age, it's a case of how mature. And there's really not much atall that can be done on stopping the lesser mature people from playing, so if they're getting on your nevres that much just mute them, it's what the command is there for.

No one really 'teaches' you to be bad - yes, obviously your peers influence you, but it's your choice what you say and do. I got into some really bad habits with what language I used a good month or two ago - and who was to blame? Myself, I was the one who was saying stuff I shouldn't, and I was the one who had gotten into the habit of doing it. You can't shift the blame onto other people for everything - if you know it's wrong, then you simply don't do it. The media really isn't to blame as such either - where I aforementioned Pewdiepie and rape jokes - I used to watch his videos with said content in, and did I go around telling rape jokes? No. This is proof for myself that I'm fully in control of what I choose to say, and can't blame it on media/peers or anything else for that matter.

And if you can't control what stuff influences you on the internet, then you probably shouldn't be on it. You shouldn't blame anything for you own decisions and actions. They're your choice to take, and if you decide to start using bad language because 'you've heard some people on tfm using it' and use that as your excuse when someone catches you, then you shouldn't be on the game in the first place. You shouldn't be able to evade the blame for your own tongue and what you choose to say, because it's YOU saying it.

Hoodiedoodie a dit :

And if you can't control what stuff influences you on the internet, then you probably shouldn't be on it.

The thing is that this is a matter of the game, there are good stuff in the internet that makes us stay,
anyways they seems to like swearing ( aka influenced) so is their desicion to do it.
and they dont notice it, thats why they never leave, they never cared and continue. :/

I have once been told off before, personally i hate fights in the internet and stuff.
someone said: " If you hate those in the internet, you shouldn't be on your com."
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Like i know i was being stupid back then, but telling someone to leave the internet because of that is not going to do anything...

I am okay with it if there are children playing Transformice but I dislike bossy and spoilt children, especially when they yell or curse at the player for not listening to them. It was quite annoying and feels like they treating the elders one as their servant in my opinion.

I was in room 1000, doing my shaman duty that is building and this player (Not sure how old is his/her real age but basing on his/her actions, you might possibly guess.) asked me to spirit him/her. Actually, I wanted to spirit that player but in my estimation, spiriting is like a bit useless because the way to the cheese is too high and the the chocolate plank was in a slanting condition which makes it a bit hard to wall-jump on it.

I didn't usually follow too much orders from other players as a shaman and I just only choose the good/useful ones. When I didn't spirit this player, he/she suddenly got mad and cursed me a lot and I just continued building. I think this player might be a bit bossy or spoilt person.

I mean, all of us have different way of shamaning right? So why complain or curse the shaman about it when they are not following your orders? I used to complain a lot when I am playing this game for the first time but I got used to the condition soon because I realized we are not all good in everything.

About cursing, it was just an influence by YouTube, online games, etc. Children can easily be influence by it due to their childish thinking. Their minds will be like "If this guy/person can curse, I think it was okay to swear too." and that is how the influence starts. Parents should also control their children by monitoring them or teaching them how to use the Internet. I myself can use the Internet safely without my parents guide or monitoring when I was 12.

Another thing, back in our good old times, we don't get iPads, iPhones or any electronic devices as presents but nowadays, I can see a lot children were sort of influenced by this new culture that is owning an iPad, iPhones and Tablets in a very young age. Even a baby could use an iPad nowadays in my country. Parents have no idea that owning an electronic device without teaching them the dos and don'ts is quite a disaster for me already. A lot young children like 5 or 6 can learn how to curse already or starting to be addicted to the game in their device until they neglected the true meaning of life or even barely step outside the house and play on the playgrounds like we used to do as kids.