Karbon a dit :

Prr a dit :VoirMasquer

It does add rounds (one round per bootcamp map played) but apparently the rounds or cheese gathered from bootcamp will not affect cfm ratios in any way. So in the end it only hurts statpadders who want their profile to look like statpadded.

Obviously bootcamp is still by far the fastest way to gather cheese, which is problematic. You can get around 100-150 cheese per hour with an active farming group (and consistency with easy maps).

That's just because you have more cheese gathered than rounds played. When that happens, regardless where it's from, cfm calculates it as a 0% ratio. I'm pretty sure as long as you keep your cheese gathered number smaller than your rounds played number, bootcamp will affect your ratios on cfm.

Edit: Brackets break the link so you'll just have to copy/paste but here's some examples.

http://cheese.formice.com/advanced-search?what=mouse&q=&stat_tribe[]=total&stat_type[]=cratio&stat_compare[]=lt&stat_value[]=1&cheese_earned=5&first_earned=&shaman_earned=&hshaman_earned=&dshaman_earned=&bootcamp_earned=&cheese_title=&first_title=&shaman_title=&hshaman_title=&dshaman_title=&bootcamp_title=&special_title=&shop_title=&search=Search

Aha, right of course. Well then, that makes it all really silly and I can certainly understand why people are having complaints about this.

The only real bootcamp stat that even matters is individual map completions. I don't see why you should get cheese from it, especially when farming is so easy. You would expect that the devs want to discourage farming, not encourage it.

You guys are only saying your reasoning on behalf of yourself, YOU may not care about your profile but OTHERS do, including myself with 12k bootcamps now I can't get anymore cuz I care about my profile I'm tfm Nerd. Thanks

I just cannot stand the constant pop up for every time you enter the hole, cant say I like this update the effort could have been put into something else. If people want cheese then they can go to vanilla, end of it

Prr a dit :

The only real bootcamp stat that even matters is individual map completions. I don't see why you should get cheese from it, especially when farming is so easy. You would expect that the devs want to discourage farming, not encourage it.

Well if bootcamp stats were to get revamped to focus more on individual maps than raw completions, it would make sense that non-unique completed bootcamps would simply give you cheese to give the mode replay value, which is where I personally hope this update is leading up to.
Then again I see it as a plus either way since I actually enjoy collecting shop cheese.

This is just farm method for cheese gathering and shop cheese and it ruins peoples profiles who care about them. i can't believe they actually went to the extent of ruining such a big part of the game for thousands of players who care about profiles and love bootcamping. i know i'm not the only one who bootcamps AND cares about their profile. stupid ass update. like other people said they couldve FIXED something else instead of RUINING the only reason i log on half the time

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• [Creepybull] is this the reason i have 13 rounds and one cheese from yesterday
• [Lilyblol] yes
• [Creepybull] dlkshgkjsdhgkasjdhgasdjkghaskdjghaskjd
• [Creepybull] fucking bullshit

might as well just strike tigronette down with lightning! darn those admins!

First thing's first; There's a MASSIVE difference between a padder and a statwhore. A padder is someone who dies to make their stats LOOK good whereas a statwhore focus more on ratios, which are the most relevant part when it comes to overall stats. I am myself a proud statwhore, I play this game every now and then simply to do good and improve my stats. If I was bad at this game I'd see no point in playing it, but that's me.
Despite the majority of frequent TFM players do not care about stats much at all there are still plenty of players who do care and by changing bootcamp they ruined it for many people. They (the programmers) have made TFM less about skills during 2014/15 and it honestly sucks. Stop fucking up a game that was fine 2 years ago.

Cfm reranked all the roundglitchers and whatnot at one point, which kind of messed up the leader board. I wonder if it's a possibility to remove the ratios, it could be like Transformice's old /ranking leader board.

Does anyone even care about the cfm leaderboard anymore?
My impression was that a801 was going to release a ranking board of their own anyway.

just enjoy the game, not everything is about having perfect stats.

Lilyblol a dit :

I hate this update because I care about my profile and now I can't bootcamp because I try to get as many firsts as I can without statpadding and I wanted 20k bootcamps now I can't get it cuz if I play my fav game on tfm it'll fuck everything up.

^^

well yeah I understand those who want their profiles to look pro. But it's okay if they do not. I have 7k firsts and 39k cheese, and i'm fine with myself..
But I like this update.

Please just remove this pointless update. It was fine the way it was.

I think it will be better if cheese count only in shop !

I hope we can have individual stats for bootcamp in the future. But as someone said, this is a step towards a better stat system for bootcamp.

This is a great update for actual bootcamp lovers and serious bootcamp players (i.e. not farmers). Since we can get cheese, cheese titles, shop cheese and level up while playing the minigame we care about.

Statpadders don't like this update since playing bootcamp now ruins their ratios. I think that if they were serious about their ratios they wouldn't play bootcamp that much, and if they really liked bootcamp then they wouldn't be complaining.

Why are ratios so relevant? Why is CFM leaderboard so relevant? Who came up with the stats' weights in CFM in the first place? All of these questions lead me to think that people just got so obsessed with something that doesn't really matter that much for other people. For instance I consider it unfair that bootcamp points aren't nearly as important as firsts for determining your overall ranking.

I guess that's a topic for another thread.

Hinakagiyama a dit :

I hope we can have individual stats for bootcamp in the future. But as someone said, this is a step towards a better stat system for bootcamp.

This is a great update for actual bootcamp lovers and serious bootcamp players (i.e. not farmers). Since we can get cheese, cheese titles, shop cheese and level up while playing the minigame we care about.

Statpadders don't like this update since playing bootcamp now ruins their ratios. I think that if they were serious about their ratios they wouldn't play bootcamp that much, and if they really liked bootcamp then they wouldn't be complaining.

Why are ratios so relevant? Why is CFM leaderboard so relevant? Who came up with the stats' weights in CFM in the first place? All of these questions lead me to think that people just got so obsessed with something that doesn't really matter that much for other people. For instance I consider it unfair that bootcamp points aren't nearly as important as firsts for determining your overall ranking.

I guess that's a topic for another thread.

Your post makes little to none sense. Why cant people care about their ratios (and by ratios i mean the real ratios based on rounds, not some first/cheese ratio) and like bootcamp. For me bootcamp was last fun thing in this game since it's challenging and players have also made it competetive with keeping track of map records. But from now on i dont want to play it since round count rises, but no way to rise firsts or saves in bootcamp and ratios i worked for would go worse.

If they really want to improve bootcamp just add stat that tells how many of the maps player has completed and add feature that in room "bootcamp PlayersName" player can choose which map they play and for how long. Ofcourse you cant give cheese or any other stats to farm. Just the one completion for that map played. Hope you undestand, my english isnt that strong.

While I can somewhat understand people who care about their ratios what startles me is that anyone is still concerned about their rank on the CFM leaderboard when it's become a completely inaccurate way to determine someone's skills. With no qualification rules being enforced any longer, almost everyone in the top 100 for any stat is probably some kind of glitcher or account sharer. I honestly don't think anyone who isn't 12 or BR sees a high ratio rank as an accomplishment, let alone cares about CFM ranks anymore in the first place.
Once tfm gets the official ranking boards that were promised like a year ago now I'd imagine the entire system would be revamped entirely.

ziiigmund a dit :

Why cant people care about their ratios (and by ratios i mean the real ratios based on rounds, not some first/cheese ratio) and like bootcamp

I'm sorry. I didn't mention those people. The only thing I said was statpadders (the ones who aim for good CFM ranking) shouldn't have much of a reason to play bootcamp (with their main account), and on the other hand bootcamp lovers shouldn't be complaining.

I'm saying this because there are lots of so-called bootcampers complaining about the update. Why is this? If anything they should be happy that they can now get some extra stuff while playing.

I always thought that the whole stat system should be made from scratch (and at the same time they should keep the current stats so that people don't complain and all of these years of playing don't go to waste). Each different game should have their own set of stats: rounds, firsts (when applicable), etc. I thought that was Tig's idea but for the time being it looks like we're left with stats for racing and survivor only. It would be nice if we had stats for vanilla and normal rooms too, as well as bootcamp. Once such a system is in place, there will be no reason to complain about this update.

(and by Tig I mean the devs)

Because people can enjoy more than 1 game mode. The update takes away from peoples ability to do bootcamp and still care about playing well in normal mode(which isn't statpadding). I personally will never be doing bootcamp outside alt or guest accounts again. I prefer to get nothing, like it used to be, than have bootcamp adding rounds.

Thank you mutedblue for replying you're the only one that makes sense. Auroraclears you aren't seeing the bigger problem cuz like I said that you obviously failed to read is that while YOU don't care, other people do. As to other people who said the same thing as her you guys clearly aren't understanding what we are saying when we give reasons why we against this update.