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Lucycat a dit :
http://i.imgur.com/QVouUm0.png


always look at ref photos :O

Awesome, that helps a huge amount! Err, sorry if it's much to ask, but could you also help me with the pup? I cant find ref images with one animal slumped over the other the way I was looking for ;;
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Unfortunately,I don't study canine anatomy so I wouldn't be much help there. :(

However,
http://i.imgur.com/IF3RzIQ.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/f2UxmZ4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aV9KzDR.jpg
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Ahh, it's ok. Thanks a lot for the images though, I couldnt find any good ones (:
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http://i.imgur.com/7kSIcwP.png
Sorry for the double post, but I'd like help with the new pup in the image

It's supposed to be a play pose, but I'm having difficulties with the hinds. It looks awkward, and either the head or body is too large and clumsy looking (even though in general that's how puppies look, with the large paws). The jaw also looks weird, and I'm not sure what to do to make it look like he's turning his head rather than having a snapped neck. I did look at ref images, but uh
yeah, in general I just need major help with the body.. I'd appretiate a redline, even if it's a fast one. Thanks

Be as harsh as you need to be, but I'd like the critique to be ASAP! It's for the same one I asked for on last page, it's due in 3 days now

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griffincraft a dit :
http://i.imgur.com/7kSIcwP.png
Sorry for the double post, but I'd like help with the new pup in the image

It's supposed to be a play pose, but I'm having difficulties with the hinds. It looks awkward, and either the head or body is too large and clumsy looking (even though in general that's how puppies look, with the large paws). The jaw also looks weird, and I'm not sure what to do to make it look like he's turning his head rather than having a snapped neck. I did look at ref images, but uh
yeah, in general I just need major help with the body.. I'd appretiate a redline, even if it's a fast one. Thanks

Be as harsh as you need to be, but I'd like the critique to be ASAP! It's for the same one I asked for on last page, it's due in 3 days now

I just want to point out that for beginners, just looking at (one) reference does not help you to improve significantly. In fact if you want to improve on anatomy, 1st gather many references of the subject and understanding its form and shape by drawing the same subject at different angles.
(However griffin since its due in a few days, I suggest just finishing this painting up 1st, studies are a long process and you should do it when you are free)
Pft, why do i NEED TO DO THIS? it waste my time and its boring!
Sorry to break it to you but as much as drawing could be a relaxing activity, if you want to get serious in art, you have to discipline yourself to learn fundamentals, and it is BORING.(and stressful)
The reason why you need any references and drawing at different angle is for you to understand that everything has matter and they are in a 3D space, which consist of Height, width and length. Maybe from one angle, an object looks like an oval but from another, it can look like a circle. The more you draw, the more you do not think about a 2D shape but a 3D sphere and etc.


I am taking it is a husky you are drawing:
http://imgur.com/g7lSmoV.jpg
1) Body direction
A reason why your dog looks like its neck is snapping is because of some small perspective issues and understanding of dog neck rotation.
If I am not wrong, the maximum rotation of a dog neck to the side is just 40 degrees, your picture shows the rotation is more or less about 70 degrees. After understanding this, if you want your dog to look "behind", its body rotation has to be different too, thats why i have adjusted the body direction and making sure the neck rotation is around 40 degrees (in perspective)

2) neck
Dog necks arent small at all, it is in fact the width of the dog face, which is pretty wide! One thing you have to know about necks is when you rotate, there is a stretch and squeeze mechanic. When you turn your neck to the right, the muscle and skin at your left would stretch, while at your right, it gets squeezed. This applies to the dog as well!

3) Leg joint
Actually i had assumed the front leg joint worked like that too, which i was looking at a reference of a husky standing normally, but it isn't, if you look at several dog running references, the joint that connects the leg to the body does not go front but backwards. In your picture you can see you have made it go front. This is why having multiple references is important!
One of the running reference
Also i just want to mention that the left leg is protruding out of its skeleton system :I

4)Tail
small nitpicking but the bones on the tail are connected to the spinal bone, not a specific bone by itself :o
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The drawing was for halloween, any criticism?

http://i.imgur.com/N4252ZU.png
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http://i.imgur.com/iYgXUYb.png

help? http://i.imgur.com/gqvWp.png
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a dit :
Fierying a dit :
griffincraft a dit :
http://i.imgur.com/7kSIcwP.png
Sorry for the double post, but I'd like help with the new pup in the image

It's supposed to be a play pose, but I'm having difficulties with the hinds. It looks awkward, and either the head or body is too large and clumsy looking (even though in general that's how puppies look, with the large paws). The jaw also looks weird, and I'm not sure what to do to make it look like he's turning his head rather than having a snapped neck. I did look at ref images, but uh
yeah, in general I just need major help with the body.. I'd appretiate a redline, even if it's a fast one. Thanks

Be as harsh as you need to be, but I'd like the critique to be ASAP! It's for the same one I asked for on last page, it's due in 3 days now

I just want to point out that for beginners, just looking at (one) reference does not help you to improve significantly. In fact if you want to improve on anatomy, 1st gather many references of the subject and understanding its form and shape by drawing the same subject at different angles.
(However griffin since its due in a few days, I suggest just finishing this painting up 1st, studies are a long process and you should do it when you are free)
Pft, why do i NEED TO DO THIS? it waste my time and its boring!
Sorry to break it to you but as much as drawing could be a relaxing activity, if you want to get serious in art, you have to discipline yourself to learn fundamentals, and it is BORING.(and stressful)
The reason why you need any references and drawing at different angle is for you to understand that everything has matter and they are in a 3D space, which consist of Height, width and length. Maybe from one angle, an object looks like an oval but from another, it can look like a circle. The more you draw, the more you do not think about a 2D shape but a 3D sphere and etc.


I am taking it is a husky you are drawing:
http://imgur.com/g7lSmoV.jpg
1) Body direction
A reason why your dog looks like its neck is snapping is because of some small perspective issues and understanding of dog neck rotation.
If I am not wrong, the maximum rotation of a dog neck to the side is just 40 degrees, your picture shows the rotation is more or less about 70 degrees. After understanding this, if you want your dog to look "behind", its body rotation has to be different too, thats why i have adjusted the body direction and making sure the neck rotation is around 40 degrees (in perspective)

2) neck
Dog necks arent small at all, it is in fact the width of the dog face, which is pretty wide! One thing you have to know about necks is when you rotate, there is a stretch and squeeze mechanic. When you turn your neck to the right, the muscle and skin at your left would stretch, while at your right, it gets squeezed. This applies to the dog as well!

3) Leg joint
Actually i had assumed the front leg joint worked like that too, which i was looking at a reference of a husky standing normally, but it isn't, if you look at several dog running references, the joint that connects the leg to the body does not go front but backwards. In your picture you can see you have made it go front. This is why having multiple references is important!
One of the running reference
Also i just want to mention that the left leg is protruding out of its skeleton system :I

4)Tail
small nitpicking but the bones on the tail are connected to the spinal bone, not a specific bone by itself :o


Holy crap, that is a huge amount of help. I'll make sure to fix the mistakes and I'll try to avoid doing this again in the future by using your tips. Thank you so much for the help!
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Prooskiller a dit :
http://i.imgur.com/iYgXUYb.png

help? http://i.imgur.com/gqvWp.png

Not much, but I hope it helps.
http://i.imgur.com/s3NLkqI.png

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Maybe a little help here? I draw on my phone in an app called ibisPaint X.
http://i.imgur.com/qvlMKBK.png
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leafytreexox a dit :
Prooskiller a dit :
http://i.imgur.com/iYgXUYb.png

help? http://i.imgur.com/gqvWp.png

Not much, but I hope it helps.
http://i.imgur.com/s3NLkqI.png

thanks alot!! :DD
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bublamorce a dit :
Maybe a little help here? I draw on my phone in an app called ibisPaint X.
http://i.imgur.com/qvlMKBK.png

First thing I noticed was the head. It's WAY too big for the body.
Second, the hips and feet are too small.

Just make the head smaller, and the hips and feet a bit bigger and you should be fine. It helps to study the anatomy of whatever animal you are drawing and that anatomy will help you with the head/shoulders/hips/legs proportions. Yes, we all tend to draw a bit cartoony, but looking at the anatomy of a real mouse will help out tons.

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http://i.imgur.com/mT9lUG9.png
ok so i redid everything and still something is wrong with it?

http://i.imgur.com/tJe13zT.png without sketch
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Prooskiller a dit :
http://i.imgur.com/mT9lUG9.png
ok so i redid everything and still something is wrong with it?

http://i.imgur.com/tJe13zT.png without sketch

Try to fix that arm a bit. It looks.....so scrunched. Lengthen it a bit and you can still have the paws bent at the wrist.
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Broncosfan a dit :
Prooskiller a dit :
http://i.imgur.com/mT9lUG9.png
ok so i redid everything and still something is wrong with it?

http://i.imgur.com/tJe13zT.png without sketch

Try to fix that arm a bit. It looks.....so scrunched. Lengthen it a bit and you can still have the paws bent at the wrist.

http://i.imgur.com/fvM4dmb.png

like this?



http://i.imgur.com/PZMuiIM.png mandy those are horns XDD

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^ oh, well, fuck XD isnt that hair?

Prooskiller a dit :
http://i.imgur.com/mT9lUG9.png
ok so i redid everything and still something is wrong with it?

http://i.imgur.com/tJe13zT.png without sketch



im not really good at critism, but as broncos said, the arm looks a little weird. here is how I should have done it. also the ears look very thin (i dont think its that good but uh yea)

don't mind the fingers, its just my style
http://i.imgur.com/yswZ2kf.png


also, since I need to practice on anatomy too, I found some really good pictures that may be helpful for some people? including me
http://i.imgur.com/tVkMdp8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sfuvO7x.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GgnUfMT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p6yxheb.jpg


i couldn't really find any for cartoon mice, so these are wolves and cats

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Broncosfan a dit :
bublamorce a dit :
Maybe a little help here? I draw on my phone in an app called ibisPaint X.
http://i.imgur.com/qvlMKBK.png

First thing I noticed was the head. It's WAY too big for the body.
Second, the hips and feet are too small.
Thank you a lot! It's very helpful for me,a beginning artist :)

Just make the head smaller, and the hips and feet a bit bigger and you should be fine. It helps to study the anatomy of whatever animal you are drawing and that anatomy will help you with the head/shoulders/hips/legs proportions. Yes, we all tend to draw a bit cartoony, but looking at the anatomy of a real mouse will help out tons.
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Brb I'm going to give a couple of you folks advice that actually helps you

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http://i.imgur.com/TedYquB.png

I need help with how to draw the feet
and some help on shading would be nice as well
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Hello! ツ
Going to assume this is a dog and work my way from there.
here are some things I noticed rather quickly:


● If the dog is being shot with a bullet wound that has enough speed to travel through the dog's head at the very same moment, the action should be enough to have the dog lean to the side due to the impact of the shot.

● I'm quite sure (but correct me if I'm wrong) that horns don't grow quite as straight you chose to portray them in this sketch. Try looking at pictures of cattle and goats to get the feel of drawing horns.
Picture one- forward
Picture two- Backwards

● Wings certainly do not work that way. They, too have bones and a basic skeletal and anatomy structure pattern you must follow.

◆ The feathers on wings are layered a specific way to keep the cold air out of their bodies. Sadly, they are not in clumps of feather. Again I suggest you take the time to reference what you are drawing.
Wing's many layers
Bones and in flesh

◆ Wings aren't just random loops with a pick-and-choose mix-and-match shape box full of feathers. Once you master layering, please read up on primaries, secondaries, coverts, etc. It will help you a lot in the near future.
◆ If your wings are folded, you bet that it will make a ripple effect, similar to the 'stretch and squeeze' described by Fierying in former posts. Again read up all you can about anatomy of birds and it will help a ton. In the meantime, have a picture that I thought would help in this case.



● A little on the nitpicky side, but unless slicked by rain, the hair should appear more 'poofy'.
● I don't think it is possible for a dog to stand that straight, since they aren't gophers or meer cats.
● You might want to round the snout a little! Dogs and mammals of the like usually have a more roundish snout with something that one might call a 'nick' at the top. Lucycat's sketch for Griffin may help a bit, though it was originally intended for cats. Need any more help on this subject and I will be happy to give you some!

● The paws are way too small for the body you have given your character. Also style-pickish, but if you are going to accurate anatomy the eyes should be much, much smaller.

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working on the redline, sorry if this is considered nitpicky!
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