Art Critique Center

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Will someone be able to critique this? Just general things I should work on when drawing! (Not aiming to be realistic, I also draw with a phone)

If I were to point out something wrong with my art myself, I'd say it's the shading.

It might just be me but the blue color kind of drowns out all the other colors since it's pretty bright.

The pose seems a bit awkward since the front paws are kind of just floating and not in line with the back paws

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It seems as though you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm. When you were sketching, right, you threw the curve of her waist where you presumed a good space for it would be, but you've accidentally created a mutant that, if the over-saturated robe was not there, you would immediately recognise as a monster right out of Human Centipede. Smartiewolf did a good compensation by pretending you'd wrapped her ribs over a high waisted petticoat and forcing her neck back into position by moving her upper body into a 3/4ths perspective, but even that tactic hasn't given her chest room to breathe (please don't tell me you started her legs under the cross wrap, god, there's only so much you can hide under a kimono)

Here's a tip, put that lady's neck back in the centre of her spine and don't try drawing a human again until you google "female drawing proportion" or "female drawing breakdown" into google images.

Here's something you probably don't realise, but the best anime artists can absolutely, unequivocally, without hesitation, draw a realistic human.

It's just too bad your reference was drawn by a two-bit hack (now that i recognise her), but thats not your fault.

i actually never draw with references,,,,, my bad
but by now everyone should know why i draw anime style (and even fucking get bashed about that for some reason? doesnt happen that frequently but just so you know im not the only one who does that)
yes thats right, im trying to get better at drawing proportions. without help. and just humans in general
im not that optimistic myself so i might as well just give up since all my drawings are fucking shit and all i get is minor praise, no real criticism at all until i beg someone for it. im so indecisive and stupid i even refused going to art school just because of how ''much'' confidence i have in my half assed drawing skills (kinda regret that now since i want to improve. but i believe theres no need for that since i only draw out of boredom now)
also this, ''you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm'', how? i literally sketched her whole body before making the clothing. its even upsetting

in the end this whole paragraph had nothing to do with the critique you gave me whatsoever

If you say you want no help then why are you here? Do you think anyone can help you at all if you don't attempt even the most basic self help-- getting a proportion reference sheet. Don't go to art school, and I do not say this lightly, because those who shun help and become despondent over a real critique will waste not only every cent they put into it but also the time and effort of the professors and resources at your disposal. You don't go to art school to learn how to draw, you go to be broken and remended into an artist. The first thing they will tell you is that all your art is trash, as they tell everyone. There's no guarantee you'll get into art school because you have to present a portfolio as a application; they don't want to take children drawing fanart of humans wrong, they only take those they can see have already driven themselves to learn absolutely everything possible before being taken under the wings of the higher institution. You wouldn't get in, sorry to say, because I know these places. They are cold and everyone is a broken wreck by the end of the first week. I only lasted a year and I wasn't even properly in all art classes (you still take calculous and everything). I was in all the basics, still life after still life. Did you know... At the end of the semester I had done what no one else before me had, make a perfect 100% mark in the hardest most critical and consuming inrto class for my work-- and that's only because I gave up all social activities and woke up before dawn to work on assignments. I had to leave for a hundred different reasons but I don't think I'd ever go back.

If you think you can do anything at all without help and without helping yourself, the professors would never give you a second look.

I actually know someone like you who wanted to learn without help, he'd graduated through a useless, turd of an art school that'd taken his money and given nothing in return because, because the guy still drew like a 15 year old school boy. No one had told him no, stop being shit at everything. As far as I know he's still unemployed, he couldn't even be taken as a tatoo artist ("No sir, I will not imprint the design before starting, I want to learn to do it. Without help.)

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It seems as though you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm. When you were sketching, right, you threw the curve of her waist where you presumed a good space for it would be, but you've accidentally created a mutant that, if the over-saturated robe was not there, you would immediately recognise as a monster right out of Human Centipede. Smartiewolf did a good compensation by pretending you'd wrapped her ribs over a high waisted petticoat and forcing her neck back into position by moving her upper body into a 3/4ths perspective, but even that tactic hasn't given her chest room to breathe (please don't tell me you started her legs under the cross wrap, god, there's only so much you can hide under a kimono)

Here's a tip, put that lady's neck back in the centre of her spine and don't try drawing a human again until you google "female drawing proportion" or "female drawing breakdown" into google images.

Here's something you probably don't realise, but the best anime artists can absolutely, unequivocally, without hesitation, draw a realistic human.

It's just too bad your reference was drawn by a two-bit hack (now that i recognise her), but thats not your fault.

i actually never draw with references,,,,, my bad
but by now everyone should know why i draw anime style (and even fucking get bashed about that for some reason? doesnt happen that frequently but just so you know im not the only one who does that)
yes thats right, im trying to get better at drawing proportions. without help. and just humans in general
im not that optimistic myself so i might as well just give up since all my drawings are fucking shit and all i get is minor praise, no real criticism at all until i beg someone for it. im so indecisive and stupid i even refused going to art school just because of how ''much'' confidence i have in my half assed drawing skills (kinda regret that now since i want to improve. but i believe theres no need for that since i only draw out of boredom now)
also this, ''you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm'', how? i literally sketched her whole body before making the clothing. its even upsetting

in the end this whole paragraph had nothing to do with the critique you gave me whatsoever

If you say you want no help then why are you here? Do you think anyone can help you at all if you don't attempt even the most basic self help-- getting a proportion reference sheet. Don't go to art school, and I do not say this lightly, because those who shun help and become despondent over a real critique will waste not only every cent they put into it but also the time and effort of the professors and resources at your disposal. You don't go to art school to learn how to draw, you go to be broken and remended into an artist. The first thing they will tell you is that all your art is trash, as they tell everyone. There's no guarantee you'll get into art school because you have to present a portfolio as a application; they don't want to take children drawing fanart of humans wrong, they only take those they can see have already driven themselves to learn absolutely everything possible before being taken under the wings of the higher institution. You wouldn't get in, sorry to say, because I know these places. They are cold and everyone is a broken wreck by the end of the first week. I only lasted a year and I wasn't even properly in all art classes (you still take calculous and everything). I was in all the basics, still life after still life. Did you know... At the end of the semester I had done what no one else before me had, make a perfect 100% mark in the hardest most critical and consuming inrto class for my work-- and that's only because I gave up all social activities and woke up before dawn to work on assignments. I had to leave for a hundred different reasons but I don't think I'd ever go back.

If you think you can do anything at all without help and without helping yourself, the professors would never give you a second look.

I actually know someone like you who wanted to learn without help, he'd graduated through a useless, turd of an art school that'd taken his money and given nothing in return because, because the guy still drew like a 15 year old school boy. No one had told him no, stop being shit at everything. As far as I know he's still unemployed, he couldn't even be taken as a tatoo artist ("No sir, I will not imprint the design before starting, I want to learn to do it. Without help.)

uhhh its kind of a long story, you know, this thing with ''doing stuff without help''. yeah, im not gonna bother and explain

but holy molly does art school sound rough. i am aware of the fact that at one point, if i eventually change my mind, i cant give them my ugly drawings. i usually dont even try hard enough of have patience at all, so that kinda explains why my ''art'' always come out as if a 10 year old drew it. im certain of it yeah.
as to answer your question of why i came here, i dont neccesarily want help. for me this thread is kinda like a opinion center, not an art critique center. at least in my case, knowing that i cant improve anytime soon, or at least try hard enough. i try, thats right, exactly why i take their advice. but really its not that much of a deal after you realize that youre just stuck at one point. no matter how much i improve, i still think my art is trash, and i cant take my mind off it
dont call this hipocrisy, its just really retarded ''logic''

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It seems as though you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm. When you were sketching, right, you threw the curve of her waist where you presumed a good space for it would be, but you've accidentally created a mutant that, if the over-saturated robe was not there, you would immediately recognise as a monster right out of Human Centipede. Smartiewolf did a good compensation by pretending you'd wrapped her ribs over a high waisted petticoat and forcing her neck back into position by moving her upper body into a 3/4ths perspective, but even that tactic hasn't given her chest room to breathe (please don't tell me you started her legs under the cross wrap, god, there's only so much you can hide under a kimono)

Here's a tip, put that lady's neck back in the centre of her spine and don't try drawing a human again until you google "female drawing proportion" or "female drawing breakdown" into google images.

Here's something you probably don't realise, but the best anime artists can absolutely, unequivocally, without hesitation, draw a realistic human.

It's just too bad your reference was drawn by a two-bit hack (now that i recognise her), but thats not your fault.

i actually never draw with references,,,,, my bad
but by now everyone should know why i draw anime style (and even fucking get bashed about that for some reason? doesnt happen that frequently but just so you know im not the only one who does that)
yes thats right, im trying to get better at drawing proportions. without help. and just humans in general
im not that optimistic myself so i might as well just give up since all my drawings are fucking shit and all i get is minor praise, no real criticism at all until i beg someone for it. im so indecisive and stupid i even refused going to art school just because of how ''much'' confidence i have in my half assed drawing skills (kinda regret that now since i want to improve. but i believe theres no need for that since i only draw out of boredom now)
also this, ''you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm'', how? i literally sketched her whole body before making the clothing. its even upsetting

in the end this whole paragraph had nothing to do with the critique you gave me whatsoever

If you say you want no help then why are you here? Do you think anyone can help you at all if you don't attempt even the most basic self help-- getting a proportion reference sheet. Don't go to art school, and I do not say this lightly, because those who shun help and become despondent over a real critique will waste not only every cent they put into it but also the time and effort of the professors and resources at your disposal. You don't go to art school to learn how to draw, you go to be broken and remended into an artist. The first thing they will tell you is that all your art is trash, as they tell everyone. There's no guarantee you'll get into art school because you have to present a portfolio as a application; they don't want to take children drawing fanart of humans wrong, they only take those they can see have already driven themselves to learn absolutely everything possible before being taken under the wings of the higher institution. You wouldn't get in, sorry to say, because I know these places. They are cold and everyone is a broken wreck by the end of the first week. I only lasted a year and I wasn't even properly in all art classes (you still take calculous and everything). I was in all the basics, still life after still life. Did you know... At the end of the semester I had done what no one else before me had, make a perfect 100% mark in the hardest most critical and consuming inrto class for my work-- and that's only because I gave up all social activities and woke up before dawn to work on assignments. I had to leave for a hundred different reasons but I don't think I'd ever go back.

If you think you can do anything at all without help and without helping yourself, the professors would never give you a second look.

I actually know someone like you who wanted to learn without help, he'd graduated through a useless, turd of an art school that'd taken his money and given nothing in return because, because the guy still drew like a 15 year old school boy. No one had told him no, stop being shit at everything. As far as I know he's still unemployed, he couldn't even be taken as a tatoo artist ("No sir, I will not imprint the design before starting, I want to learn to do it. Without help.)

uhhh its kind of a long story, you know, this thing with ''doing stuff without help''. yeah, im not gonna bother and explain

but holy molly does art school sound rough. i am aware of the fact that at one point, if i eventually change my mind, i cant give them my ugly drawings. i usually dont even try hard enough of have patience at all, so that kinda explains why my ''art'' always come out as if a 10 year old drew it. im certain of it yeah.
as to answer your question of why i came here, i dont neccesarily want help. for me this thread is kinda like a opinion center, not an art critique center. at least in my case, knowing that i cant improve anytime soon, or at least try hard enough. i try, thats right, exactly why i take their advice. but really its not that much of a deal after you realize that youre just stuck at one point. no matter how much i improve, i still think my art is trash, and i cant take my mind off it
dont call this hipocrisy, its just really retarded ''logic''

sticking this in a spoiler because it's pretty long.

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#5025

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It seems as though you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm. When you were sketching, right, you threw the curve of her waist where you presumed a good space for it would be, but you've accidentally created a mutant that, if the over-saturated robe was not there, you would immediately recognise as a monster right out of Human Centipede. Smartiewolf did a good compensation by pretending you'd wrapped her ribs over a high waisted petticoat and forcing her neck back into position by moving her upper body into a 3/4ths perspective, but even that tactic hasn't given her chest room to breathe (please don't tell me you started her legs under the cross wrap, god, there's only so much you can hide under a kimono)

Here's a tip, put that lady's neck back in the centre of her spine and don't try drawing a human again until you google "female drawing proportion" or "female drawing breakdown" into google images.

Here's something you probably don't realise, but the best anime artists can absolutely, unequivocally, without hesitation, draw a realistic human.

It's just too bad your reference was drawn by a two-bit hack (now that i recognise her), but thats not your fault.

i actually never draw with references,,,,, my bad
but by now everyone should know why i draw anime style (and even fucking get bashed about that for some reason? doesnt happen that frequently but just so you know im not the only one who does that)
yes thats right, im trying to get better at drawing proportions. without help. and just humans in general
im not that optimistic myself so i might as well just give up since all my drawings are fucking shit and all i get is minor praise, no real criticism at all until i beg someone for it. im so indecisive and stupid i even refused going to art school just because of how ''much'' confidence i have in my half assed drawing skills (kinda regret that now since i want to improve. but i believe theres no need for that since i only draw out of boredom now)
also this, ''you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm'', how? i literally sketched her whole body before making the clothing. its even upsetting

in the end this whole paragraph had nothing to do with the critique you gave me whatsoever

If you say you want no help then why are you here? Do you think anyone can help you at all if you don't attempt even the most basic self help-- getting a proportion reference sheet. Don't go to art school, and I do not say this lightly, because those who shun help and become despondent over a real critique will waste not only every cent they put into it but also the time and effort of the professors and resources at your disposal. You don't go to art school to learn how to draw, you go to be broken and remended into an artist. The first thing they will tell you is that all your art is trash, as they tell everyone. There's no guarantee you'll get into art school because you have to present a portfolio as a application; they don't want to take children drawing fanart of humans wrong, they only take those they can see have already driven themselves to learn absolutely everything possible before being taken under the wings of the higher institution. You wouldn't get in, sorry to say, because I know these places. They are cold and everyone is a broken wreck by the end of the first week. I only lasted a year and I wasn't even properly in all art classes (you still take calculous and everything). I was in all the basics, still life after still life. Did you know... At the end of the semester I had done what no one else before me had, make a perfect 100% mark in the hardest most critical and consuming inrto class for my work-- and that's only because I gave up all social activities and woke up before dawn to work on assignments. I had to leave for a hundred different reasons but I don't think I'd ever go back.

If you think you can do anything at all without help and without helping yourself, the professors would never give you a second look.

I actually know someone like you who wanted to learn without help, he'd graduated through a useless, turd of an art school that'd taken his money and given nothing in return because, because the guy still drew like a 15 year old school boy. No one had told him no, stop being shit at everything. As far as I know he's still unemployed, he couldn't even be taken as a tatoo artist ("No sir, I will not imprint the design before starting, I want to learn to do it. Without help.)

uhhh its kind of a long story, you know, this thing with ''doing stuff without help''. yeah, im not gonna bother and explain

but holy molly does art school sound rough. i am aware of the fact that at one point, if i eventually change my mind, i cant give them my ugly drawings. i usually dont even try hard enough of have patience at all, so that kinda explains why my ''art'' always come out as if a 10 year old drew it. im certain of it yeah.
as to answer your question of why i came here, i dont neccesarily want help. for me this thread is kinda like a opinion center, not an art critique center. at least in my case, knowing that i cant improve anytime soon, or at least try hard enough. i try, thats right, exactly why i take their advice. but really its not that much of a deal after you realize that youre just stuck at one point. no matter how much i improve, i still think my art is trash, and i cant take my mind off it
dont call this hipocrisy, its just really retarded ''logic''

If you know your logic is wrong then why do you hold fast to it? I know why: it's because you're so use to failure that if you were to ever put any stake in trying to learn something, that your ego would shatter into a thousand pieces. You'd rather draw things wrong just to have the excuse of ignorance. There's no use continuing this conversation because you've made it amazingly clear you don't actually want to improve anything. I don't want to see you post art here again, there are people here who actually care about their art and you're taking up space.

Cute motivational speech Monsterboyo,but this is the critique thread; if Kat just wants attention for her feelings then she can post in the single fanart thread from now on.

V I didn't say you purposefully draw things wrong, I said you'd rather draw them wrong than make the effort to learn how. If you purposefully drew them wrong it would imply you knew how to draw, which you don't and never will because you insist on not making any effort to learn, and make up an excuse for why you don't. Do you not understand how exasperating it is to give advice and critique to someone who immediately replies that they don't want help, they just want "opinions" (read: compliments)

Whatever now, I'm going home to draw.

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It seems as though you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm. When you were sketching, right, you threw the curve of her waist where you presumed a good space for it would be, but you've accidentally created a mutant that, if the over-saturated robe was not there, you would immediately recognise as a monster right out of Human Centipede. Smartiewolf did a good compensation by pretending you'd wrapped her ribs over a high waisted petticoat and forcing her neck back into position by moving her upper body into a 3/4ths perspective, but even that tactic hasn't given her chest room to breathe (please don't tell me you started her legs under the cross wrap, god, there's only so much you can hide under a kimono)

Here's a tip, put that lady's neck back in the centre of her spine and don't try drawing a human again until you google "female drawing proportion" or "female drawing breakdown" into google images.

Here's something you probably don't realise, but the best anime artists can absolutely, unequivocally, without hesitation, draw a realistic human.

It's just too bad your reference was drawn by a two-bit hack (now that i recognise her), but thats not your fault.

i actually never draw with references,,,,, my bad
but by now everyone should know why i draw anime style (and even fucking get bashed about that for some reason? doesnt happen that frequently but just so you know im not the only one who does that)
yes thats right, im trying to get better at drawing proportions. without help. and just humans in general
im not that optimistic myself so i might as well just give up since all my drawings are fucking shit and all i get is minor praise, no real criticism at all until i beg someone for it. im so indecisive and stupid i even refused going to art school just because of how ''much'' confidence i have in my half assed drawing skills (kinda regret that now since i want to improve. but i believe theres no need for that since i only draw out of boredom now)
also this, ''you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm'', how? i literally sketched her whole body before making the clothing. its even upsetting

in the end this whole paragraph had nothing to do with the critique you gave me whatsoever

If you say you want no help then why are you here? Do you think anyone can help you at all if you don't attempt even the most basic self help-- getting a proportion reference sheet. Don't go to art school, and I do not say this lightly, because those who shun help and become despondent over a real critique will waste not only every cent they put into it but also the time and effort of the professors and resources at your disposal. You don't go to art school to learn how to draw, you go to be broken and remended into an artist. The first thing they will tell you is that all your art is trash, as they tell everyone. There's no guarantee you'll get into art school because you have to present a portfolio as a application; they don't want to take children drawing fanart of humans wrong, they only take those they can see have already driven themselves to learn absolutely everything possible before being taken under the wings of the higher institution. You wouldn't get in, sorry to say, because I know these places. They are cold and everyone is a broken wreck by the end of the first week. I only lasted a year and I wasn't even properly in all art classes (you still take calculous and everything). I was in all the basics, still life after still life. Did you know... At the end of the semester I had done what no one else before me had, make a perfect 100% mark in the hardest most critical and consuming inrto class for my work-- and that's only because I gave up all social activities and woke up before dawn to work on assignments. I had to leave for a hundred different reasons but I don't think I'd ever go back.

If you think you can do anything at all without help and without helping yourself, the professors would never give you a second look.

I actually know someone like you who wanted to learn without help, he'd graduated through a useless, turd of an art school that'd taken his money and given nothing in return because, because the guy still drew like a 15 year old school boy. No one had told him no, stop being shit at everything. As far as I know he's still unemployed, he couldn't even be taken as a tatoo artist ("No sir, I will not imprint the design before starting, I want to learn to do it. Without help.)

uhhh its kind of a long story, you know, this thing with ''doing stuff without help''. yeah, im not gonna bother and explain

but holy molly does art school sound rough. i am aware of the fact that at one point, if i eventually change my mind, i cant give them my ugly drawings. i usually dont even try hard enough of have patience at all, so that kinda explains why my ''art'' always come out as if a 10 year old drew it. im certain of it yeah.
as to answer your question of why i came here, i dont neccesarily want help. for me this thread is kinda like a opinion center, not an art critique center. at least in my case, knowing that i cant improve anytime soon, or at least try hard enough. i try, thats right, exactly why i take their advice. but really its not that much of a deal after you realize that youre just stuck at one point. no matter how much i improve, i still think my art is trash, and i cant take my mind off it
dont call this hipocrisy, its just really retarded ''logic''

If you know your logic is disgustingly stupid then why do you hold fast to it? I know why: it's because you're so use to failure that if you were to ever put any stake in trying to learn something, that your ego would shatter into a thousand pieces. You'd rather draw things wrong just to have the excuse of ignorance. There's no use continuing this conversation because you've made it amazingly clear you don't actually want to improve anything. I don't want to see you post art here again, there are people here who actually care about their art and you're taking up space.

Cute motivational speech Monsterboyo,but this is the critique thread; if Kat just wants attention for her feelings then she can post in the single fanart thread from now on.

I never said i don't care about my art actually. i said i dont like it
and... what kind of assumption is this that i purposefully draw things wrong? huh...thats sad

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It seems as though you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm. When you were sketching, right, you threw the curve of her waist where you presumed a good space for it would be, but you've accidentally created a mutant that, if the over-saturated robe was not there, you would immediately recognise as a monster right out of Human Centipede. Smartiewolf did a good compensation by pretending you'd wrapped her ribs over a high waisted petticoat and forcing her neck back into position by moving her upper body into a 3/4ths perspective, but even that tactic hasn't given her chest room to breathe (please don't tell me you started her legs under the cross wrap, god, there's only so much you can hide under a kimono)

Here's a tip, put that lady's neck back in the centre of her spine and don't try drawing a human again until you google "female drawing proportion" or "female drawing breakdown" into google images.

Here's something you probably don't realise, but the best anime artists can absolutely, unequivocally, without hesitation, draw a realistic human.

It's just too bad your reference was drawn by a two-bit hack (now that i recognise her), but thats not your fault.

i actually never draw with references,,,,, my bad
but by now everyone should know why i draw anime style (and even fucking get bashed about that for some reason? doesnt happen that frequently but just so you know im not the only one who does that)
yes thats right, im trying to get better at drawing proportions. without help. and just humans in general
im not that optimistic myself so i might as well just give up since all my drawings are fucking shit and all i get is minor praise, no real criticism at all until i beg someone for it. im so indecisive and stupid i even refused going to art school just because of how ''much'' confidence i have in my half assed drawing skills (kinda regret that now since i want to improve. but i believe theres no need for that since i only draw out of boredom now)
also this, ''you've shoved her cervix into her diaphragm'', how? i literally sketched her whole body before making the clothing. its even upsetting

in the end this whole paragraph had nothing to do with the critique you gave me whatsoever

If you say you want no help then why are you here? Do you think anyone can help you at all if you don't attempt even the most basic self help-- getting a proportion reference sheet. Don't go to art school, and I do not say this lightly, because those who shun help and become despondent over a real critique will waste not only every cent they put into it but also the time and effort of the professors and resources at your disposal. You don't go to art school to learn how to draw, you go to be broken and remended into an artist. The first thing they will tell you is that all your art is trash, as they tell everyone. There's no guarantee you'll get into art school because you have to present a portfolio as a application; they don't want to take children drawing fanart of humans wrong, they only take those they can see have already driven themselves to learn absolutely everything possible before being taken under the wings of the higher institution. You wouldn't get in, sorry to say, because I know these places. They are cold and everyone is a broken wreck by the end of the first week. I only lasted a year and I wasn't even properly in all art classes (you still take calculous and everything). I was in all the basics, still life after still life. Did you know... At the end of the semester I had done what no one else before me had, make a perfect 100% mark in the hardest most critical and consuming inrto class for my work-- and that's only because I gave up all social activities and woke up before dawn to work on assignments. I had to leave for a hundred different reasons but I don't think I'd ever go back.

If you think you can do anything at all without help and without helping yourself, the professors would never give you a second look.

I actually know someone like you who wanted to learn without help, he'd graduated through a useless, turd of an art school that'd taken his money and given nothing in return because, because the guy still drew like a 15 year old school boy. No one had told him no, stop being shit at everything. As far as I know he's still unemployed, he couldn't even be taken as a tatoo artist ("No sir, I will not imprint the design before starting, I want to learn to do it. Without help.)

uhhh its kind of a long story, you know, this thing with ''doing stuff without help''. yeah, im not gonna bother and explain

but holy molly does art school sound rough. i am aware of the fact that at one point, if i eventually change my mind, i cant give them my ugly drawings. i usually dont even try hard enough of have patience at all, so that kinda explains why my ''art'' always come out as if a 10 year old drew it. im certain of it yeah.
as to answer your question of why i came here, i dont neccesarily want help. for me this thread is kinda like a opinion center, not an art critique center. at least in my case, knowing that i cant improve anytime soon, or at least try hard enough. i try, thats right, exactly why i take their advice. but really its not that much of a deal after you realize that youre just stuck at one point. no matter how much i improve, i still think my art is trash, and i cant take my mind off it
dont call this hipocrisy, its just really retarded ''logic''

sticking this in a spoiler because it's pretty long.

honestly, art is more about expressing yourself and how you feel, ultimately. of course when people see others art, they feel like they have to reach the same skill level as the person they aspire to be. but then are you expressing yourself truly? are you really expressing your own feelings or are you copying anothers just to make yourself feel better?

art does not have to "look" good. it can be "terrible" and still mean something, at the end of the day. improving truthfully only does come out of many days of drawing newer things, and trying out different techniques and styles to mix in with your own. that is how people get their own styles, but really it all boils down to how you feel.
you might think your art is trash, but then maybe thats the feeling you're putting into it? you get so worked up because "you'll never be as good as _____" or "you'll never be able to _____ as well as _____" that the trashiness you feel in yourself goes into your work, and eventually thats all you see it as. Garbage.

Art school is very tough, because teachers are always looking for you to push your boundaries and go out of your comfort zone. You have to keep all of the drawings and sketches and paintings you create to prove that you are moving forward in your skills, and many artists do keep a lot of their old artwork to compare in the future, to see just how far they've gone. But then again, if everyone is comparing themselves to one another, it will be tough with or without extra education in art.

You draw how you like. You draw what you wish. Draw what you feel will really bring out the best of you. Art is about expressing YOURSELF. No one else. Who cares what other people think and want? It's your work and you should never feel like you have to cater to people, especially when it's about art.

You do you.

well arent those some wise words. thanks for posting this
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A0xis a dit :
There's no use continuing this conversation because you've made it amazingly clear you don't actually want to improve anything. I don't want to see you post art here again, there are people here who actually care about their art and you're taking up space.

uhm:
a) what gives u the fucking right
b) ur not fucking da vinci nor did u found the principles of art so easy on that radiac level of condescending bullshit

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#5028

I don't understand your question because you didnt finish your first point and your second point has no basis, but sorry I came off as condescending to someone on a critique thread who's only response to critique is "um, I don't want help."

I admit I don't have a sparkling personality or any measure of politeness, but I don't respond well to that despondent sort of reply from someone who considered art school. Art school would kill her if she went in acting that way to a mild comment about her anatomy. It's tough love, kid.

If you don't want a critique, dont post in the critique thread. Removing my comments or banning me from the site won't change the reality of the situation: you will learn nothing by making other people do all the work for you, you will learn nothing by refusing real help and advice, and you will learn nothing by drawing the same thing the same way until every shred of creativity inside you curls up in a ball and dies.

I am not Davici (yet) but I know how to get there, and crying on the side of the road because someone told you go get a bicycle isn't how. (In this medaphore most people are jogging up slowly and I'm over here trying to jump start a car)

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#5029

well theres ways to help without being mean and saying that someones art looks like a creation from human centipede. theres kind of a line between offering help and being borderline offensive

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A0xis a dit :
I don't understand your question because you didnt finish your first point and your second point has no basis, but sorry I came off as condescending to someone on a critique thread who's only response to critique is "um, I don't want help."

dang. u must be fun at parties, mate.

Kuokou a dit :
well theres ways to help without being mean and saying that someones art looks like a creation from human centipede. theres kind of a line between offering help and being borderline offensive

basically this. there's a fine line btween offering real, constructive help and just smearing ur shit snob excuse for assistance all over the walls

#5031

Alright alright, I was a little mean if you insist on reading that way. We can't all have my sense of humor. What are you meant to do with someone with no working knowledge of anatomy and proportion other than to let them see how little knowledge they possess and then shove them in a more productive direction.
Perhaps reading that this person.. Was actively refusing any help or reference at all... Well, that's crazy to me, my mind cannot fathom any reason as to why.
(God that's sad, I wish I could actively help this girl but the best I can do is swat her away from an institution that would probably end up killing her)
I'm 100% the forums Try-Hard art snob thank you for finally noticing.

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iif you could
i know its sloppy i was in a rush with this one

#5033

You have stumbled into a fundemental flaw in TFM's design which all come to pass. When you draw the circle of the mouse's skull I want you to think about where your ears connect to it. Next think about how a hat fits upon the upper surface of the skull in question. If the ears and hat are removed from eachother then you're fine, but if there's a conflict then you have a few options:
A. Cut a hole into the side of your hats where your mouse ears protrude.
B. Move the ears outward to the far edge of the skull
C. Fold the ears under the hat, flattening the ears to the skull where the conflict is.

In this drawing you drew the hat without fitting it over the curve of the skull and hair, which gives the effect of detachment and suggestion when you could have had an opportunity to make your character feel more attached to her space and grounded in reality. Its a simple fix but the presence it would bring to your drawings can make a huge difference. If you like the detached, abstract edge it brings to the drawing then maybe thats something else you can bring and focus on when you draw bigger more complex mice. The key is just to do it intentionally and with presence and meaning.

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#5034

A0xis a dit :
I don't understand your question because you didnt finish your first point and your second point has no basis, but sorry I came off as condescending to someone on a critique thread who's only response to critique is "um, I don't want help."

I admit I don't have a sparkling personality or any measure of politeness, but I don't respond well to that despondent sort of reply from someone who considered art school. Art school would kill her if she went in acting that way to a mild comment about her anatomy. It's tough love, kid.

If you don't want a critique, dont post in the critique thread. Removing my comments or banning me from the site won't change the reality of the situation: you will learn nothing by making other people do all the work for you, you will learn nothing by refusing real help and advice, and you will learn nothing by drawing the same thing the same way until every shred of creativity inside you curls up in a ball and dies.

I am not Davici (yet) but I know how to get there, and crying on the side of the road because someone told you go get a bicycle isn't how. (In this medaphore most people are jogging up slowly and I'm over here trying to jump start a car)

i wasnt the one who considered art school :)))) my parents literally forced me
i know damn well the struggles of art school, exactly why i didnt accept the offer
let this pointless argument end. for the last time i want to learn by myself, ive been doing art since i was like 2 years old and i never received help. i evolved by myself, not from some cheap references online. sure they may help, but drawn-by-yourself-references exist. i literally only come to this thread to see if i make any mistakes, and im glad you noticed that you were a little rude when you called my drawing ''something that came out of human centipede''. but its actually funny somehow
anyway, let this end. im literally empty

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Forcing a child into anything is horrible but forcing a child into art school is downright abusive. Again, though, sorry for being so harsh on you for it.

#5036

A0xis a dit :
Forcing a child into anything is horrible but forcing a child into art school is downright abusive. Again, though, sorry for being so harsh on you for it.

uhh ive always been called a GREAT artist by everyone i know and honestly nah lol
i cant draw anything without someone praising me for 2 hours and saying how good i am. i am still evolving i dont fucking need art school right now

#5037

Ummm, I'm gonna tactfully decline to comment on that, but I do think in general terms that praise is a detriment to progress and I implore you, beg you, to please seek help in areas where you do maybe have erroneous gaps in your , what artists call, "healthy memories" of constructions and objects.

Praise is.. A sickingly sweet drop of nector fallen to the ground from the tree of ambition. It causes a fever in the minds of young artists and is conducive to addiction. Its sweetness leaves many people scratching in the dust for their daily fill, and those people never look up to see their ambitions above. But its a hard climb up that tree and I don't think most people could do it anyway.

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#5038

Howdy folks.

I asked my tribe and many friends for Critique on this picture but they didn't give me so my friend made me come here even though this is for TFM related art-I oh well here ya go.
Take note the species of dinosaur is Spinosaurus.

#5039

A0xis a dit :
You have stumbled into a fundemental flaw in TFM's design which all come to pass. When you draw the circle of the mouse's skull I want you to think about where your ears connect to it. Next think about how a hat fits upon the upper surface of the skull in question. If the ears and hat are removed from eachother then you're fine, but if there's a conflict then you have a few options:
A. Cut a hole into the side of your hats where your mouse ears protrude.
B. Move the ears outward to the far edge of the skull
C. Fold the ears under the hat, flattening the ears to the skull where the conflict is.

In this drawing you drew the hat without fitting it over the curve of the skull and hair, which gives the effect of detachment and suggestion when you could have had an opportunity to make your character feel more attached to her space and grounded in reality. Its a simple fix but the presence it would bring to your drawings can make a huge difference. If you like the detached, abstract edge it brings to the drawing then maybe thats something else you can bring and focus on when you draw bigger more complex mice. The key is just to do it intentionally and with presence and meaning.

yyeah, thanks!
i've honestly been struggling with ears for awhile and i've been told sometiimes my ears dont make sense, but i really think these suggestions will help in the future next time im drawing, thanks a0xis

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Digitalpanda a dit :

I've had this style for a few weeks now and I feel like there has to be a few changes to it and Idk what.
The drawing above is the first time I drew it.

Critique please? A red line version will be helpful,,

Repost,,

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