Bengalstar a dit :

/no support
some mice aren't on wind master and it would be unfair for them to have to deal with huggers

agreed

No It shouldnt be removed. Its there for a reason and 1 reason only. HUGGERS! I dont care if you hug or not. If you dont hug it wont bother you because your not in that particular area around the shaman. So therefore
/no support

Cheesehogga a dit :

No It shouldnt be removed. Its there for a reason and 1 reason only. HUGGERS! I dont care if you hug or not. If you dont hug it wont bother you because your not in that particular area around the shaman. So therefore
/no support

And yet another person who didn't read the full OP.
Let me repeat it again, meep SHOULD be there against huggers. But instead, it attracts huggers and isn't even used against the huggers. It's used to kill the mice, including non-huggers.

Bengalstar a dit :

/no support
some mice aren't on wind master and it would be unfair for them to have to deal with huggers

... i have to say something..
so... the MANY months of not sham specialisation yet...
if it was not included.. woud you still want to not support to removing meep, and it also attracts huggers.

Chantallex a dit :

I hope you do realize that we have atleast twice as much huggers BECAUSE of meep. And meep isn't just used for huggers. It barely is anymore. Everyone was fine with the way it was before all these updates. And reporting huggers is useless, you know. Huggers do not get banned by mods, you're supposed to voteban them instead.
And if you do not have the skills, you'll learn to sham better since you do not have meep. Maybe then the skill in survivor will come back, instead of survivor being some chase-game.

people will still hug and always hug, I think meep has helped so people aren't wall jumping over to the sham when he's building and then they just get meeped back down, it helps the sham increase his time away from the mice. And of course it improved my shamming back when there was no meep but of course, I could never out run those stupid huggers, and I can't get rid of them with cannon balls, and when im using hardmode I can't balloon and red plank myself to get away, so then the mice will always be following, and using such tactics wastes your time as shaman, there are many pros to this suggestion but also quite a lot of cons.

Widdleboom a dit :

people will still hug and always hug, I think meep has helped so people aren't wall jumping over to the sham when he's building and then they just get meeped back down, it helps the sham increase his time away from the mice. And of course it improved my shamming back when there was no meep but of course, I could never out run those stupid huggers, and I can't get rid of them with cannon balls, and when im using hardmode I can't balloon and red plank myself to get away, so then the mice will always be following, and using such tactics wastes your time as shaman, there are many pros to this suggestion but also quite a lot of cons.

Why would you even build in survivor.. I haven't seen anyone actually building on a map where mice can immediately walljump upwards to his/her platform. I can't even think of a map like that.
And you could easily just cannon them down as they walljump, people hotkey as crazy anyway these days. No surviving in that.
And I understand it has "helped" some people. Though again, meep has made it EASIER for mice to to higher platforms, and it only caused more huggers for us, due to the fact they can go up.
And I'll repeat this again. Of all meep-users, the ones actually USING it for huggers is a small 10% probably. The others make it a chase-game.
And yes people will probably always hug, but the fact that meep increased the amount of huggers bothers me. Nearly every round there are about 6 mice hugging the sham, and atleast ONE mouse says "meep".

Meep is ridiclously abused these days and it is ineffective in getting rid of huggers. I will probably be repeating some things already said but clearly it needs to be done since people aren't getting it.

Mice will meep to get to high places or they will time it to where they jump and meep does not send them flying away. Therefore the mice will instead be five steps away from the sham after the meep, making the entire move completely useless. Its also annoying when shams use meep to charge at mice and kill them since apparently they don't know how to use cannons properly like they're supposed to.

We're not saying you have to be a "pro" to use cannons but if you don't bother trying you're never going to learn and will always rely on crutches to get through. Your chances of success will also be lower along with the increased frustration when your silly meep will continue to fail you.

people need meep i mean the skills are good too but i think with both the skills and meep it will give us a challenge and that's what survivor's all about that's why the game keeps updating to give us a challenge so
/no support

/support
Meep is annoying and being abused. Games are supposed to be challenging, and it's not even that hard to kill huggers without meep.

Qeeeeep a dit :

people need meep i mean the skills are good too but i think with both the skills and meep it will give us a challenge and that's what survivor's all about that's why the game keeps updating to give us a challenge so
/no support

People don't need meep. We didn't have meep for quite a long time and everything went well. Meep and all the other updates have made survivor EASIER. Not more challenging, not in the slightest. Survivor's just going downhill these days.

Qeeeeep a dit :

people need meep i mean the skills are good too but i think with both the skills and meep it will give us a challenge and that's what survivor's all about that's why the game keeps updating to give us a challenge so
/no support

The challenge is to be able to kill mice with cannons and so many people can't even do that. Do you really think they can handle more challenges without being able to succeed in the basis on the game?

/Support

I don't get how people would think removing meep is a bad thing unless they haven't been ever meep'ed before

hmm.... how about just removing skills fom survivor?

/support 100%

/Half support i love the idea of removing meep becuase im a survivor reg from ES and its really abused alot in those places but then i dont suppost it. They should also remove skills in survivor because basically most of the bad ones for survivor are from the Wind Master. for one example the Companion box, its not a good thing, why is there a box already?.. Bubbles another thing thats maybe the same as meep. it brings you up but the again >.> all those mice get on it and it pops.. so what im saying is that you should remove skills especially wind master from survivor its a good tree because of some of the skills in there such as Acrobat etc. but its very commonly bad for survivor the others are okay in some ways. and definately meep should be removed. >Even totems but theres already a thread i think.

Chantallex a dit :

Thank you for the support guys c:
In fact, meep has caused us having more huggers than we had before it got added. And for most people it doesn't work at all as they just stand there, meeping the mice to higher platforms.

If that's so, than I'd nearly fully support this.
/support.

Socialfreak a dit :

"...for one example the Companion box, its not a good thing, why is there a box already?..."

Well, with the companion box, you can actually spawn it so that you're inside the box, and you add something to it so you can fly up high. and also the companion box is slightly heavier than the normal boxes. I think those are the two purposes of why they added a companion box.

Recrise a dit :

hmm.... how about just removing skills fom survivor?

This could work as well, as I'm not too fond of the sheep and all in survivor. I really do not see the logic in being able to revive mice, but not yourself as shaman either, as I'd think mice should survive.. Not die and respawn.
Anyway. I just pointed the skills out as an alternative, it's not necessary, of course, but I can understand that some people want something instead of meep anyway. And the wind master skills could work pretty well with that. I myself use Acrobat and Projection a lot.

Socialfreak a dit :

They should also remove skills in survivor because basically most of the bad ones for survivor are from the Wind Master. for one example the Companion box, its not a good thing, why is there a box already?.. Bubbles another thing thats maybe the same as meep. it brings you up but the again all those mice get on it and it pops.. so what im saying is that you should remove skills especially wind master from survivor its a good tree because of some of the skills in there such as Acrobat etc. but its very commonly bad for survivor the others are okay in some ways. and definately meep should be removed. Even totems but theres already a thread i think.

The bubbles are pretty meh, indeed. They're exactly the same as balloons, I suppose ? But this is up to the sham whether to use it or not.. If the shaman doesn't want it ; Redistribute. Simple as that.
And as Laser mentioned, the Companion cube is indeed heavier. Also, the removal of totems is planned.

/support Only that you can't fly now... shame.

It will be good so mice don't knew i will make invis object so i can troll :)
/support

What about guests and mice that are investing points in spiritual guide / mechanician? Sorry, but I don't think this is fair. /no support