Ruined survivor |
Lasiss « Citoyen » 1463925180000
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Title says it all, but let me add something more. I'm and old player, I remember Holz and his "Get' em, Tiger! *-*" and other pretty things from him (Kikoo pwet). I can talk how lovely survivor was without totems, skills and loads of new updates. I found so many friedns there and was having so much fun. But what is survivor now? It's a terribly ruined minigame. Let me show you some examples, why do I think so. Events in survivor - one of the most retarded ideas I've ever seen in this game. Events are for normal rooms or vanilla. Don't push it in minigames. Can you imagine waiting so long for your shaman turn and suddenly you have to help mice in event? And you don't get anything for this turn. No cheese, no mice saved, nothing. Seriously, what's the point of this? Meep - it was sure nice idea how to get rid of huggers. But let me tell you - it doesn't work. Meep doesn't have stable strenght, sometimes it's super strong and sometimes it just pufs mouse centimeter away. And it's perfect troll method for shaman. For example, you are walljumping up, when shaman jumps near you and meeps you down. And kills you, obviously. You can't dodge meep just like cannons. And that's bad. And someone else should realize it too. New cannons - or another one of the worst ideas. Cannons with wings? Or cannons like bunch of rocks? Are you serious? Or these hard-visible cannons. You can't really see, where shaman is aiming, when he puts cannon near circle with his level number. Thanks to all dumb updates. And these up-flying cannons. *facepalm* Skills - this is what killed the old and good survivor. Portals, for example. You are in safe place, where shaman can't hit you with cannon, but suddenly he flies around and portals you away and you - die. How the hell are we supposed to evade this? Or when shaman portals himself out of cage map. Whaaaaat's the damn point of these map, when shaman can escape? Also great method for favo - shaman just portals mouse in cage and it's safe. Giving meep power to mouse, another great favo method (like normal meep wouldn't be enough). Retarded nets, which you can't get out of. Killing after shaman dies. I can tell you this, skills are cancer of survivor. Totems - how long ago did we want to disappear totem from survivor? You can still see cannon totems there. Can we complain again? Yes, we can. But will someone listen to us? No, I don't think so. Do you know, what makes me mad the most? That now it doesn't matter, if you are pro or not. Because nowadays you are not killed by cannons but most by skills and meeps. And that's not any talent of shaman. My old friends are not playing anymore. And I'm going to follow them too. Transformice is not fun anymore. Skills are making shaman's job so much easier, people care only about events and fraises. Not surprised that so many players left. I'll just try to forget this new Transformice and remember old one. The good one. And that's all. Thank you for reading, and tell me what do you think. (AND sorry for bad english, it's not my first language, but I hope you understood what I'm trying to say.) |
Winter4438 « Censeur » 1463926380000
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Well, I wasn't around to see the "old" survivor, but I can agree on the totems. But cannons with wings... isn't that just a design from the shop that doesn't have an affect? Correct me if I misunderstood or something. |
Charbz « Censeur » 1463929560000
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A lot of players have been complaining about Survivor being ruined and that Survivor should be like Holz's survivor, but yes, in-cage-Shaman maps don't have a point due to the skills making things much easier, and I think they removed totems but as I remember, I was told that something went wrong. I agree with everything listed in this thread. winter4438 a dit : Yes, he meant the cannons that are bought from the shop. Dernière modification le 1463929620000 |
Angelvintage « Citoyen » 1463930280000
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winter4438 a dit : I agree. I actually do have a survivor totem, but it's more of a silly totem then a killing totem. |
Charbz « Censeur » 1463931360000
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If that "silly totem" kills, then it's a killing totem, no difference. By using a totem with the maximum amount of cannons, then what are you even doing? Nothing. The totem is doing the job that you're supposed to do. |
Angelvintage « Citoyen » 1463931840000
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Well, my silly totem has a few cannons and arrows that mice can feel, and cake. One time it didn't even kill anyone |
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Old survivor is the best its all about skillsz survivor should be a skilled game since mods ruined it put vanillla shams skills in survivor and totem is still allowed(didnt know why they still put totem -_-") and ofcourse the unescapable the tp of shaman " the only shaman skills is i allowed: Hotkeys(For fast shaman spawn "Pro survivor players can predict cannons now " and Meep(maybe .. i didnt use it but it useful for huggers especially for beginners) good old days when survivor1 has 200 mice on it and room *s is only room for pros :D Old survivor is supposed to be a HARD MINIGAME totems,tp should be remove anvilgod (maybe) |
Deathisgod « Citoyen » 1463953020000
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I miss the bot who actually spoke the rules about not Gods/God Totems... |
Sabzra « Citoyen » 1463955000000
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The only things that really bother me in survivor is the Meep Power, Totems, and certain events. Someone's totem can be really over powered if they know what they are doing when creating it, or know how to correctly make the Anvil God. The Meep Power (when given to a mouse) is often used for favoring, and killing mice without having to do a lot. And it really gets annoying, especially when the Shaman uses it to kill those who don't even bother to hug the sham. And events really aren't necessary in Survivor, due to the fact that Survivor has less time than Vanilla and Normal Rooms. Plus, depending on the Event, the Shaman can easily kill mice instead of trying to complete the event. |
Techtriostep « Citoyen » 1463974740000
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I think majority of us would agree that old survivor was much more balanced and fair than the current one. Not only old survivor has indicated rules to make the gameplay fair, but without skill tree makes it balanced for all than some players that are low leveled and only can acquire some of the skills. Meep is also abused most of the time and it does not help with huggers at all. In fact if you have experiment in survivor, you can practice how to headsurf using your own self to kill huggers for a very long distance. Without the player's thinking and creativity, what the minigame offers is just bluntly playing, there is nothing new to learn. Also for god sake I do hope events would be taken out from survivor Dernière modification le 1463974800000 |
Lostchicken « Censeur » 1463986200000
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Totems were always in survivor, so I don't really understand why people are complaining. Back then it was similar to now, the room would end up spamming 'NOOB' for using a totem. People complain about the meep ability constantly, but literally before that, although there was the rule of no hugging, it didn't stop people. It's a mechanism to try and get rid of huggers. People are free to use it how they wish. techtriostep a dit : In answer to this, not every player will be able to do that, even with practice. You have to remember that there is a wide range of ages playing this, and a lot of them won't care enough about improving skills, they just want to have fun. |
Scudder « Citoyen » 1463989800000
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Agreed. About this and the other changes to tfm in recent years. They're adding too many fancy features and losing the delicate simplicity that made the different games so likable before. For me, the only interesting things about tfm now are some of the modules. I've barely played normal tfm since 2013. |
Evilsantah « Citoyen » 1463993520000
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I agree. Also don't forget the new survivor currency, which can be obtained by BEING THE SHAMAN. The game mode "survivor" clearly stands for surviving as a mouse, that is the main objective and thus should be the way to obtain the currency. But nope. |
Manakid « Citoyen » 1464017100000
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Imo, they should make two survivors rooms, one with totem/meeps and all that, and one with only cannons, spirit and basic things |
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At some point i was in the old survivor when i was curious about the cannon-dodging. But what makes it worse is the fact that the cannon farming also ruins the chances of stats. If only Atelier801 would remove skills, totems and event in survivor altogether... |
Mervynpeake « Citoyen » 1464125940000
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You make some good points, and I think it's just bad timing that the survivor currency and an event that requires the shaman to help the mice have come at the same time. The state of survivor has been an on-going battle between players and staff for a few years now and those of us who do stuff for survivor genuinely do have some of the same views/complaints as you guys and try to do what we can to minimise them. It's by no means a fix but if its any comfort, we do try really hard to take shaman skills/totems into consideration when we look at submitted maps for survivor; this is one of the reasons why success rates for map makers in P10 submissions are so low - often maps look pretty good but we can see that a totem or some skills are going to be particularly deadly and it can convince us not to discuss them further. I've made a point of mentioning this thread to other staff so at least rest assured you are neither forgotten nor ignored! Dernière modification le 1464126000000 |
Elkkuman « Citoyen » 1464257160000
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Solution: Mods should make transformice classic version which is based on old version of the game, before the skills and totems. |
Lasiss « Citoyen » 1467464700000
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a dit : Yes, month later and everything is same. Totems are still there, skills too and new event... So many "thanks" to Transformice staff. Good luck destroying this game more. |
Desolate « Citoyen » 1467465480000
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I don't think they will ruin the new survivor to remake the old one. |
Mervynpeake « Citoyen » 1467474360000
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Elkkuman a dit : This is a thing - room #survive Lasiss a dit : It takes a lot of work to keep the game running and unfortunately survivor is just not a priority, it is on the list of things to be addressed but not at the top Dernière modification le 1467475500000 |