1 year since last major update. Kinda sad.

Here's an idea I'd like to throw out just for discussion value, what if we managed to convince a big Youtuber to Let's Play these dead games? I think the number of players would shoot up like a rocket.

huggykitty a dit :

Here's an idea I'd like to throw out just for discussion value, what if we managed to convince a big Youtuber to Let's Play these dead games? I think the number of players would shoot up like a rocket.

That sounds like a really good idea, actually.

People will start complaining about fortoresse having a toxic community because of these people that come along with the increased player base. There are already complaints about tfm being like that even without big youtubers playing it. If a youtuber brings people to this game then the toxic behaviour will just be blamed on the youtubers and it'll be some pointless internet war in the end.

Who are we going to convince if you want an idea like that to succeed?

What's needed for fortoresse to be popular is:
- A decent player base. Right now fortoresse has a small player base and people who get into the game eventually become discouraged
- Balance. SPAS-12 overpowers everything as soon as someone appears with it in a room (because it has a unique gameplay type that hasn't been properly refined with the game's style and it's way too strong at the same time). Also there are too many weapons that are underpowered and underused and there's no diversity in the gameplay at all.
- Progress in perpetuity. Right now fortoresse's sense of progress ends when the shop is completed. There are no ranks, no daily achievements (planned and in progress on trello but not delivered), no competitions, no badges and no levels.
- Gameplay diversity. Maybe some extra modes and single player modes with high scores that can be placed on your profile and other's profiles.
- Greater customisation.


I have a youtube channel and I can't record any more fortoresse videos because there's just nothing to cover and it's too repetitive. This will be the same for a bigger youtuber.

solfn a dit :

- Balance. SPAS-12 overpowers everything as soon as someone appears with it in a room (because it has a unique gameplay type that hasn't been properly refined with the game's style and it's way too strong at the same time).

Players really find the SPAS-12 overpowered ?

grunt, have you played in a room absent from a spas-12 and then had someone with one come in. The tide turns so quickly even if it's just one person. The whole pace of the match just gets thrown off because of how unique a weapon it is, not just because it's strong. It defies the normal laws of distance fighting by players.

Most spas-12 users are using the gun because of how strong it is.

I don't think getting someone from Youtube to play these games will help any, just because the games themselves are only interesting to play, not so much as to watch. Advertising the game around would definitely help but that wouldn't change the fact that the game isn't being updated and well, that it's game-play is pretty clunky. There's also a lot of issues with balance and the game's core mechanics that I don't think can be tinkered with without making huge changes to the game itself.

There's a lot that needs to be done before Fortoresse actually stays addicting to play, rather than just being another game to pick up and put down when you're bored. Maybe then it'll start getting a bigger community but again that all falls on the "is it worth it?" scale.

solfn a dit :

grunt, have you played in a room absent from a spas-12 and then had someone with one come in. The tide turns so quickly even if it's just one person. The whole pace of the match just gets thrown off because of how unique a weapon it is, not just because it's strong. It defies the normal laws of distance fighting by players.

Most spas-12 users are using the gun because of how strong it is.

No but it's something the M40 is able to do and shooting on people when you are behind teammates isn't hard.

The SPAS-12 can't kill people easily from a longer range (unless they are weak) , this is what make the weapon not overpowered.

Like the Rail Driver from Red Faction (the first) , if you play the game you know why the weapon is not so op (the Rail Driver is designed like a weapon who is overpowered) .

You know why a rocket launcher is not op in games too.

No, it is totally overpowered, until there are at least 2 pro snipers in the opposite team to be enough to take the spas team. I've played a round that against with 5 spas in the opposite team and 2 of them are pro, and so it is definitely IMPOSSIBLE to kill them without a perfect teamwork and pro SPAS PLAYERS in the another team.

the requirement of using spas is getting closer.It's not that hard to do in this game.We have conj,we can raid from above or below,which enemy cannot see.Or just use shelter then conj to dash forward.

Hence what I will do against a spaser is keep a distance with him.I'm able to conj dash away.And I usually stay at the same vertical level with him.Hence I can shoot him when there is no obstacle.However this strategy is pretty passive,I have to run away to defeat enemy.It doesn't works well in flag,he comes then I have to escape.

The only drawback of spas is getting close to enemy,when dealing with a team of enemy,that's suicide.
However what are you supposed to do when you against a team alone?

if me vs me,with different guns,I guess the me with spas will usually win.

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5 spas in the opposite team!?
Ohhh the end of world has come,everyone is going to die

Pro spas will use shelters to come close to you. When there are many of them it's impossible to drive them back out of the flag once they settle in and you are forced to stay up close to them in something like a flag in order to stop them from achieving their goal.

Attacks from above aren't a real problem when you are ready for.

solfn a dit :

Pro spas will use shelters to come close to you.

Sometimes, regular players with SPAS-12 use Shelter too, often, they can't do anything...

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You have a better idea for the SPAS-12 ? Because if the weapon can 3-shot-kill, it's the same weapon, if the weapon is not 3-shot-kill, it's a weak and stupid shotgun that can't kill people at close range easily. Something stupid for a weapon like that, remember that old update...

I don't think you can so something good for the SPAS-12... unless the game is automatics only (because if you keep the M40 but not the SPAS-12, it's not fair) .

The only thing you can do for the spas-12 is to have more weapons like it and to lower its firepower to reward players for being more conservative with it. Cause right now people just basically spam fire and they get rewarded for it.

solfn a dit :

The only thing you can do for the spas-12 is to have more weapons like it and to lower its firepower

Idea :

- Pump-action shotgun : the powerful but slow shotgun

- Semi-automatic shotgun : average shotgun (the SPAS-12)

- Automatic shotgun : the weak shotgun with high firerate (something like the USAS-12)

I like this...

EDIT : Fortoresse is back !

It's not that hard to beat someone with SPAS Shelter in a 1v1. With accurate weapons like the AN94 and Sniper, it makes distancing easy. Building conj blocks will surely help to ward them off until their shelter wears off. By then you can easily pursue them given the recharge time for shelter is pretty lengthy.

Using the Uzi as a secondary will help break through their conj and the Uzi can even be used as a primary weapon as it's one of the best, if not, the best Secondary in the game. Use the Primary as binoculars, and the Uzi as a wall breaker + damage dealer. Though it's low damage you can easily stay above them and move from place to place to trick them up while shooting downwards. You'll eventually wear them down lower than they can to you.

I actually use this tactic a lot against more than just SPAS users.

Jjaakkee a dit :

It's not that hard to beat someone with SPAS Shelter in a 1v1. With accurate weapons like the AN94 and Sniper, it makes distancing easy. Building conj blocks will surely help to ward them off until their shelter wears off. By then you can easily pursue them given the recharge time for shelter is pretty lengthy.

Using the Uzi as a secondary will help break through their conj and the Uzi can even be used as a primary weapon as it's one of the best, if not, the best Secondary in the game. Use the Primary as binoculars, and the Uzi as a wall breaker + damage dealer. Though it's low damage you can easily stay above them and move from place to place to trick them up while shooting downwards. You'll eventually wear them down lower than they can to you.

I actually use this tactic a lot against more than just SPAS users.

SPAS 12 users aren't as powerful when against M40 A5s
UMP is another very good in weapon in 1v1 since its has average precision, and a high DPS and a fast reload duration. It can take out SPAS users in a medium+ range quickly.
TIP: When using sniper against a SPAS, I always would guess where they are and shoot even though i can't see them. This will take tons of damage so you or your teammates could finish them later easily. This is a very good strategy for experienced players.

Against a full HP SPAS-12, not sure with the UMP-45 because the Damage Per Clip is 36 and with the SPAS-12 trying to avoid fire, you miss few shots.

Unless you fight the common player with the SPAS-12, you need to move yourself, run away and gun style.

Cheddarfist a dit :

SPAS 12 users aren't as powerful when against M40 A5s

It's a sniper rifle vs. a shotgun, both weapons are strong and weak because the SPAS-12 is weak at long range but strong at close range and the M40 is strong at long range and close range but his DPS is bad for this fight.

Honestly, you need to consider of the match with the secondary weapons too. I think that SPAS is definitely the most overpowered weapon among all of the weapon 1 because you can choose a powerful secondary weapon too. Hence, I cannot find a secondary weapon like SPAS. Actually, if you can control your movement well, you can dodge the shots from SPAS and every weapons except M60 can defeat SPAS on 1 vs 1 as well.

I agree

Funnytummy a dit :

Honestly, you need to consider of the match with the secondary weapons too. I think that SPAS is definitely the most overpowered weapon among all of the weapon 1 because you can choose a powerful secondary weapon too. Hence, I cannot find a secondary weapon like SPAS. Actually, if you can control your movement well, you can dodge the shots from SPAS and every weapons except M60 can defeat SPAS on 1 vs 1 as well.

M60 works like any other gun could. Run and gun style would fare well so long as you know how to move around the map.