In regards to boosting the community through something like a let's player; I agree with the other points, but also wanted to point out that the issue for the game isn't boost to the community needed, so much as sustaining that boost, which won't happen very long without updates / moderation. Plus many people that would play because of a let's player are less likely to stay around for awhile on a game that is "dead" since they first played it.

As far as SPAS-12, my reasoning for why it's so OP is simply that in terms of Flags and to some degree VIPs, you need to protect a single point on the map. which means if your defending, you HAVE to be there, or otherwise potentially lose if you move to retreat a safe distance. Veteran / pro players know to use conj and also give themselves space to move / retreat encase someone get's within their defenses, but if you or the other player is even lagging a little, it's not uncommon for a SPAS user to be able to make it past a new line on conj you put a decent ways in front of them, and have 1-2 shots off before you realize it didn't stop them.

The sniper is similar, but it more challenging to use up-close, and is much slower, giving more time to think / retreat / properly defend. And since Sniper usually stay farther away, these are usually a bit easier to do.

Also, there's numerous weapon discussion threads, shouldn't this be moved to one of those?

They most likely wont update for another year. Almost forgotten,period point blank.

Tbh, 'Every weapon is good, sometimes it just takes the right person to use it properly.' The only reason SPAS 12 is so overpowered for some people is because it's the easiest weapon to handle. M60 would probably we a good weapon too when use it correctly. Sol, since you know how to use most weapons properly. You should make a page of how to use a weapon correctly.

All weapons are easy to understand so it's easy to use them...

I think the M60 + M40 A5 is good because the M60 is a conj breaker (the one used like a shelter, not a roadblock) and the M40 is the killer, on a flag game, it's good, better than the SPAS-12 on the paper.

Cheddarfist a dit :

You should make a page of how to use a weapon correctly.

As a reminder for anyone who cares, there's a forum post with some weapon reviews, and the wiki also has a page for each weapon that tries to explain a little about how they should be used (although I believe only Solfn has edited some the pages at all).

Fewfre a dit :

Cheddarfist a dit :VoirMasquer

You should make a page of how to use a weapon correctly.

As a reminder for anyone who cares, there's a forum post with some weapon reviews, and the wiki also has a page for each weapon that tries to explain a little about how they should be used (although I believe only Solfn has edited some the pages at all).

Ty, i also added playstyles to the weapons
I only done the M40 A5 , Famas, M60 and SPAS 12

solfn a dit :

grunt, have you played in a room absent from a spas-12 and then had someone with one come in. The tide turns so quickly even if it's just one person. The whole pace of the match just gets thrown off because of how unique a weapon it is, not just because it's strong. It defies the normal laws of distance fighting by players.

Most spas-12 users are using the gun because of how strong it is.

I deny it.
As a Spas user, I need A LOT of technique to use it effectly. Also, remember that Sniper and MP5, even a M60 or any other weapon, if used correctly can counter a spas easily. Just because you can't kill doesn't mean that it's an impossible task or unviable. And yes, I die alot to snipers to state that. :v
Just too much pro snipers in BR. Maybe that. But anyways...

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400+ people at last Weekend, all servers together.

Use correctly =/= Able to defeat SPAS
Also, no one has told you that an overpowered weapon doesn't need to require a high technique. Most of fools use them incorrectly and rush to people so they die easily.

Finally, if other weapons need more technique like movement and ammo to deal with SPAS, it can totally prove that SPAS is an overpowered weapon.

SPAS-12 is a shotgun, close range weapon...

And spamming shots ? Unless you talk about mid-range, you must spam shots before dying (rush on enemies) .

recinderella a dit :

Use correctly =/= Able to defeat SPAS
Also, no one has told you that an overpowered weapon doesn't need to require a high technique. Most of fools use them incorrectly and rush to people so they die easily.

Finally, if other weapons need more technique like movement and ammo to deal with SPAS, it can totally prove that SPAS is an overpowered weapon.

Really? It means i'm a liar if i get a AN-94 and kill 2 spas in a row? Obviously not. And a Soldat with a spas isn't a rushing pro. But, if the low-level players can't deal with them... Well, there's nothing i can do.

Stop having your bullshit theory while those two spas aren't pro.... She says quite correctly

Toeball a dit :

Well, it has came to the point where the game has been forgotten. They claimed a zombie update last year. Still hasn't come, and the game hasn't progressed at all. This went from one of the funnest games by Atelier to one of the most boring. I would really like some changes. Such as remembering we exist?

It's you. And, also I agree that those other games other than Transformice are minor minigames for us to play. besides, they do hard work having money source... Yes, they could have done better but be thankful for now, Those minigames are kind of what keeps Transformice in advertisement and ingoing.

miku0831 a dit :

Stop having your bullshit theory while those two spas aren't pro.... She says quite correctly

You guys are haters? Seems like that. If Spas is overpowered or not, it's not the question. The thing is: You can't kill, so you start thinking nobody can. Think.

"You can't kill" <-- wtf are you talking about? WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT IF SPAS IS UNBALANCED AS AN OVERPOWERED WEAPON. I Don't Think Having The Same Conception=Haters. Also, never use a "specific" example to state something directly, idc if you even use uzi to kill two SPAS, but always remember that SPAS is definitely the most powerful and overpowered weapon among all the Primary weapons.

miku0831 a dit :

"You can't kill" &lt;-- wtf are you talking about? WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT IF SPAS IS UNBALANCED AS AN OVERPOWERED WEAPON. I Don't Think Having The Same Conception=Haters. Also, never use a "specific" example to state something directly, idc if you even use uzi to kill two SPAS, but always remember that SPAS is definitely the most powerful and overpowered weapon among all the Primary weapons.

Cause that's what was stated by the other person you agreed with. "Technique" is a irrelevant thing, then? And i remember the times that Spas was called trash, with 5 bullets and long ROF. So, they made it just like IRL ( Maybe ? ). And yet, people complain. Sniper can kill Spas. Many weapons can kill Spas. It is overpowered, but not invencible.

Brandonnst a dit :

And i remember the times that Spas was called trash

The glitched SPAS-12 in action : those green blocks AREN'T my blocks + only one shot inflict damage, others are harmless.

Here the SPAS-12 was rare but only because he is glitched not because he was weak.

And one day... after an update, he is fixed !

Yea, i kinda forgotten fortoresse because i was playing agar.io (i got up to 12780)

Cheddarfist a dit :

Yea, i kinda forgotten fortoresse because i was playing agar.io (i got up to 2000)

Nice

+supergrunt a dit :

Brandonnst a dit :VoirMasquer

And i remember the times that Spas was called trash

The glitched SPAS-12 in action : those green blocks AREN'T my blocks + only one shot inflict damage, others are harmless.

Here the SPAS-12 was rare but only because he is glitched not because he was weak.

And one day... after an update, he is fixed !

Spoiler

But now all four shots inflict 3 (or around 3) = not a three-shots-kill = impossible to kill someone with full HP even if you shoot first = stupid for a shotgun = almost unused weapon.

Now Solfn tell me the four-shots-kill is a good idea... I was fine with 3 damage but not for this.

Yes, i remember :T
Was my first weapon, before the fix.
Goddangit, how hard i tryied to play with this thing until it was fixed.

Now Solfn tell me the four-shots-kill is a good idea... I was fine with 3 damage but not for this.[/quote]

The spas would still kill in the fastest time. You're not supposed to just walk up to a player and spam shots, obviously something is wrong if this is relatively safe. Spas users should come in for shots when safe.

Ever played a fps with a shotgun involved? Walking up to a player who's standing still makes it advantageous to the shotgun but it still shouldn't be advantageous even if the other player is moving around trying to avoid damage.
I've played 1v1 as a sniper against an mp5/spas user and it was the chip damage that ended up killing me not the direct confrontation itself. It's obviously too strong against both moving players and less experienced players.

The reason I would just force it into 4 shots (maximum possible damage at 4) and not barely 3 is because even though it rewards spasers who are more careful with their shots the spas still glitches out for some players and it would reward luck instead. That's why I just forced it into 4 because it would reward careful players and there would be no luck or lag involved.

Basically it would still be a strong weapon but it would close off unfair gaps.