Personally I prefer the famas. I know it gets less kills, but I think it adds more value to a team than a sniper (That said if you are truly excelent with a sniper you will contribute a lot to your team too). Just to stay with teh theme of the thread, I think that "the best" is actually growing into a group of people who are able to adapt their strategy to whatever the game adds (shadow(both of them),june, snailgary, amad, and a couple others whose name eludes me).

Istudent a dit :

Personally I prefer the famas. I know it gets less kills, but I think it adds more value to a team than a sniper (That said if you are truly excelent with a sniper you will contribute a lot to your team too). Just to stay with teh theme of the thread, I think that "the best" is actually growing into a group of people who are able to adapt their strategy to whatever te game adds (shadow(both of them),june, snailgary, amad, and a couple others whose name eludes me).

those people dont really work much as a group. I would name some who are excellent in a group i just can't because there are none. Also veteran players should know how to use more than 1 weapon. And play good for more than one role. i use sniper famas an-95, G36C. uzi magnum desert eagle. Heads up the an-95 was back in the old days

It's quiet true, most of the pros i have noticed, they are doing more individual work than team work

actually, I prefer smaller groups or alone than the big clump of teammates who attract a lot of enemies, I find it a lot easier and more fun XD, plus its easy to use multiple weapons troll, if you can use one well, you can use the rest moderately well, its not that hard

Thesnailgary a dit :

actually, I prefer smaller groups or alone than the big clump of teammates who attract a lot of enemies, I find it a lot easier and more fun XD, plus its easy to use multiple weapons troll, if you can use one well, you can use the rest moderately well, its not that hard

actually guns have there own different tactics. So just because your good with sniper doesn't mean your going to first time famas and be good at it that quick. It is easy once you get the hang of the game. But as i said you "should" unlike ysosadbro who only uses a sniper and thinks he is already that "good" in just a week, be good at multiple guns to be considered veteren.

I can see why the other Shadow put the M40 away for a while. I recently just switched to the defualt Assualt/Pistol and I've been enjoying myself a lot more then I would have sniping. I can be a lot more agressive this way and really try to tear through enemies rather then just sitting back playing for picks which got really boring after a while.

To be honest I forgot how useful the Barreta was compared to the Uzi in my opinion, saying this to help further the point that different guns have different playstyles/tactics. There's a lot of good examples out there if you just switch guns everyonce and a while.

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*smell of troll*

Jjaakkee a dit :

I doubt you're the best sniper in the game. You're not even a veteran, nub, stop acting like you're king of the battlefield Mr.Wannaberoyalty. You can claim to have skill, but going on to say you are the best sniper? Hell no, I've never seen you around, but I'm willing to bet that Shadow is a much better sniper than you. I've seen Shadow snipe, and oh boy all aces. And if it weren't for my lag I'd be able to snipe pretty well, but as for now, I'm not up in the high leagues.

If you haven't seen me play then don't make silly assumptions like that. Because I haven't played as long as the others mean I suck. Foolish, I played for barely a day and already knew the basic skills that you need to be good in this game, and it isn't high. I've seen every player listed here snipe, their aim doesn't just doesn't compare to mine. The best I've seen from another person was 1/3, rarely 2/3. I hit 3/3 consistently, even on my bad laptop, so "lag" is not an excuse for not being able to aim well. I'll repeat what I said, until I seen otherwise, there's no one else that can compare to me, and if anyone wants to prove it, then I will be glad to 1v1 them sniper only and see how bad they get beaten :)

That is pretty cocky considering the fact that you just shot down the library of good tactics that if you understood the game, you would be happy to have at your disposal. Unfortunately, your campaign as "the best sniper" is a terrible misconseption. Sniping is not always the pathway to being the best. Especially if you camp snipe and steal kills in the crossfire. I find it funny how you immediately go to the assumtion that "every player listed here snipe" because as a matter of fact, Juneprincess and Shadowtrophy both currently use famas. Since the basis of your argument is based on the fact the the top people only use a sniper, your argument is completely invalidated.

I agree, this game is full of good players, beginners who are just a little bad

Istudent a dit :

That is pretty cocky considering the fact that you just shot down the library of good tactics that if you understood the game, you would be happy to have at your disposal. Unfortunately, your campaign as "the best sniper" is a terrible misconseption. Sniping is not always the pathway to being the best. Especially if you camp snipe and steal kills in the crossfire. I find it funny how you immediately go to the assumtion that "every player listed here snipe" because as a matter of fact, Juneprincess and Shadowtrophy both currently use famas. Since the basis of your argument is based on the fact the the top people only use a sniper, your argument is completely invalidated.

I understand the tactics well enough to know that even though they can be useful at some cases, they are usually situational and gimmicky, and the ones that are actually useful aren't hard to do at all. As for your sniper argument, I chose that gun because it is the only one that actually takes some skill to use, instead of spraying and praying like the other guns. I can still dig and push well with my Uzi, why would I need an assault rifle to do that? They are pretty poor in combat too, they get killed with my sniper within 3 shots before they even land 10 shots on me. And I'm not the kind of person who camps. I assault with a sniper 90% of the time, which is why I get many kills and flag captures even when I'm the only one actually doing work in my team. People who use Famas and can actually kill me when I'm full with sniper are people I will consider good.

Spraying with an assualt riffle at longer ranges is very uneffective and inefficient especially when the person is behind a lot of cover. I would expect someone that "knows" a lot about this game to actually know that, put a looot of emphasis on the know.

There are multiple tactics and strategies for a reason, not every single one is going to fit every single situation. If one strategy fit all then the game would get very boring quickly.

The M40 Sniper isn't really that /hard/ to be honest, sorry to burst your bubble. I'd honestly consider it the weapon that takes the least skill. High damage, great accuracy, good kill (steal) potential, it's ability to fire so far behind cover.. It's only downsides are it's lack of penetration and it's slow fire-rate which can easily be offset.

Now I'm not saying the other weapons are hard, either, but skill shouldn't be determined by what gun they use. If assualt riffles are pretty poor in combat too, wouldn't that make them harder to control then an accurate sniper riffle in this games sense and thus the harder, more skill required weapon to use?

I'm laughing to much to even read the rest of the argument. I know it's possible to hold flags on your own (I have before, today actually) but this is just getting ridiculous.

Also, the Famas is probably the easiest weapon to use in this game. It's high fire-rate, amazing accuracy, and decent damage makes it a very reliable weapon even if it isn't a sure kill on someone at full health/it's damage is reduced to none on crouching players. I honestly think it's just being over-rated right now because well-known players are using it.

Shadowwinter a dit :

The M40 Sniper isn't really that /hard/ to be honest, sorry to burst your bubble. I'd honestly consider it the weapon that takes the least skill.

Also, the Famas is probably the easiest weapon to use in this game.

Nice contradiction there.

Spraying with an assault rifle is soooooo much harder than actually aiming with a sniper. That's why I never use Famas, I can never get the skill of putting my mouse in front of me and holding the button killing 5 people in a row, it's too hard for me :'(

Mmmm and yeah, the fact that you said that any of these tactics require any skill makes it real hard to take you any seriously. Perks make this game even more ridiculous than it already is, anyone can easily charge into an enemy's base and push them out. Just put shield on and cover their entire area with mines. If you're saying that takes skill then that's foolish.

Because the entirity of the game isn't a point and click adventure totally, it's not like you're sniping in first person.

And since when did I /ever/ mention perks? I played the game before there were perks and I enjoyed myself even more back in the day then I do now. Perks are pretty cheap but that doesn't mean we can't counter them and there's work arounds for all the perks.

Also, I don't think anyone takes you seriously. You didn't make a very good first impression and that's something that'll probably stick around for you for quite sometime, possibly forever. So when I see a reply from you in this thread I really don't expect much of a reply other then "I'm good, this and that, nothing more".

Also, that wasn't much of a contradiction; That's 2 weapons out of 9 main weapons and 4 secondaries.

Shadowwinter a dit :

Because the entirity of the game isn't a point and click adventure totally, it's not like you're sniping in first person.

That wasn't even the point that I was making, I meant that with sniper you wouldn't just hold the mouse button, you actually have to click in different spots while they're constantly moving, which at least takes a bit more skill to use than the other guns.

Shadowwinter a dit :

And since when did I /ever/ mention perks? I played the game before there were perks and I enjoyed myself even more back in the day then I do now. Perks are pretty cheap but that doesn't mean we can't counter them and there's work arounds for all the perks.

When you mention that there's different "strategies" and "tactics" in this game, you forgot to mention that 90% of them are used more often with perks, which is why I mentioned them.

Shadowwinter a dit :

Also, I don't think anyone takes you seriously. You didn't make a very good first impression and that's something that'll probably stick around for you for quite sometime, possibly forever. So when I see a reply from you in this thread I really don't expect much of a reply other then "I'm good, this and that, nothing more".

I really can care less of how people think of me online. If people think I'm infamous, then so be it, doesn't really affect me in any way, especially not in real life where I take care of much more problems than these small bothers. I can say the same thing for you, seeing as you've basically repeated what I said for all of your posts.

Shadowwinter a dit :

Also, that wasn't much of a contradiction; That's 2 weapons out of 9 main weapons and 4 secondaries.

There were no secondaries included here, even if there were included it would still be a contradiction, "easiest" and the "least skill" are the same thing.

Ysobadbro a dit :

That wasn't even the point that I was making, I meant that with sniper you wouldn't just hold the mouse button, you actually have to click in different spots while they're constantly moving, which at least takes a bit more skill to use than the other guns.

And? You have accurate shots to compensate for that and it's not the hardest thing in the world to land a shot on a moving target considering it's only a 2d plain we're playing on. You have to aim with every weapon or else you won't be able to kill, while the difference is you only need to land 1 shot with a sniper and multiple with a riffle.

Ysobadbro a dit :

When you mention that there's different "strategies" and "tactics" in this game, you forgot to mention that 90% of them are used more often with perks, which is why I mentioned them.

Perks aren't all that hard to deal with, again there are counters to them for a reason.

Ysobadbro a dit :

I really can care less of how people think of me online. If people think I'm infamous, then so be it, doesn't really affect me in any way, especially not in real life where I take care of much more problems than these small bothers. I can say the same thing for you, seeing as you've basically repeated what I said for all of your posts.

I'm not the brightest person on the forum and I can be rather cold and blunt about it. Shadow, hint hint? Winter, hint hint? If you have better things to do then I'm curious to why you're wasting it here, could say the same for me but I have my own personal reasons and I'm sure you do too. Probably best to drop this subject as it's getting off-topic.

Ysobadbro a dit :

There were no secondaries included here, even if there were included it would still be a contradiction, "easiest" and the "least skill" are the same thing.

Secondaries play a big part, why else would you see the sniper/uzi combo all the time? Secondaries have their own playstyles just like Primaries do.

Alright guises. Let's face the factors needed to be the best:

-Skill.

Kay? K. So everyone has a certain amount of skill. Could be a l'il, could be a lot. Some peeps of Fortoresse had prior 'gun game' experience, like the games of SFH2, CS, TDP4, or whatever. Nobody can proclaim themselves as the best player, not because there is no proof, but because there is reasonable doubt to not being the best player. I could say that so-and-so's name is the best, but that so-and-so person could doubt him/her self about not being the best. Yes, as Shadowwinter stated, there are multiple things to consider at being the best. Shooting bullets, whether it's a sniper or a FAMAS, does not determine whether you can be a 'god' of Fortoresse. To that, do not reply about not saying that you were a god, because you clearly gave an implication on people of the forums. Ysobadbro, just please, do not automatically crown yourself 'king' if others cannot agree. And yes, not everyone will agree in unison that you are the best, but I haven't seen a single person yet to say that you're pro. Even a little bit of recognition can be a sign or credibility.

Now for the sniper thing:

Everyone makes missed shots. I've seen a few from you, too. I make missed sniper shots. It's not like you can't go a level without missing a snipe or two. Yes, you can make one snipe in a round and win. No, I'm pretty sure nobody can go 600/600 snipes without missing at least one. No, I didn't say that you're perfect at sniping, but I've seen better. Take Ganzan for example.

About not being the camper of maps:

You and I have a common interest. Rushing and doing work for the team. But I know that it is harder to shoot a mobile enemy than a stationary one. All snipers know how the enemy just jumps on the ground shooting a G36C or whatnot and you missing the snipe below their feet. Yes, that's irritating.



Fortoresse is all about teamwork. Either you have a good team or a bad team. Occassionally, there would be people that could decide the fate of the team, when both teams are at the same strength/ability. Hard to judge how professional someone is when teamwork is involved in the whole process of killing and defending.

Unrelated, but I don't post here very often. I just lurk and read arguments. But this, this self-proclaiming Ysobadbro thing stirred up my tribe, and so I just gave my own two cents.


Happy sniping, y'all, and get some taters. c:

Shadowtrophy a dit :

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Mhm, Shadow the pro speaks the wise words. From this it seems the argument will stop here unless someone wishes to stir up trouble once again. Shadow has good points and they are unarguable as it seems to me.

Anywho there isn't just one "Best" anyways. There could be the best in many things: Building shelters, sniping, supports, etc.

Anthonyjones a dit :

Soifn :)

i'd go with Solfn too. ;-;