Killing yourself before someone can kill you is called "The Cowards way out". It's unfair that you're even taking a kill from a player that deserved it because if they were able to do all the damage or even just happen to get the last hit, they still deserve it. Kill stealing is a real headache sometimes especially as an M40 player but the moral to this story is I could purposely try to steal kills, or I could play the game like a team player and whatever happens just happens.

Most people don't kill steal on purpose. I've had plenty of times where I've felt bad for taking all the kills because I happen to have just taken a lucky shot at the right time but most people honestly don't get mad. I usually give up a lot my kills because I want to wear the enemy down rather then watch the enemy capture our flag and when I see someone spray enough bullets into them just swoop down and one-shot them. Regardless though that doesn't mean I or the other person didn't deserve that kill because they got it for a reason if it was a cheap one.

As for Stat-Padding that's very frowned upon. If mort'ing yourself really doesn't count as a death and the leader-boards were on basis like CFM, then you'd probably be DQ'd for abusing the system because you were making a negative stat not count to make your ratios look better, kind of like the glitch that kept your rounds from recording on Transformice.

As for explosive damage it is really annoying and it does feed people a lot of kills but honestly there's a stat for explosive damage. You can easily go and look at a players profile and see how much damage they've done with explosives and easily tell if they have really good gun-skill or have just kamikazi'd to get where they are.

Other then that, it's impossible to avoid farming kills unless it's from an intentional method. This doesn't include playing in public rooms such as 2 and 3 to be exact because there are still people there that can have the same, if not more skill then you. Even in room 1 you can easily dominate players but that doesn't exactly make it farming.

And lastly to kind of put the icing on the cake, it probably would have been good to have a Kill Assist stat so even if your kill was stolen it'd still count towards your profile, and maybe a regular damage stat as well.

Shadowwinter a dit :

Killing yourself before someone can kill you is called "The Cowards way out".

Does putting the mine near the VIP, trapping it with the conjuration so he can't run away from it, then hurting him badly and eventually ending killing yourself by your own mine make you a coward?

+Laurent, killing yourself means using the /mort way, not being a kamikaze that isn't a "cheat" so don't worry bout that

+laurent a dit :

Shadowwinter a dit :VoirMasquer

Killing yourself before someone can kill you is called "The Cowards way out".

Does putting the mine near the VIP, trapping it with the conjuration so he can't run away from it, then hurting him badly and eventually ending killing yourself by your own mine make you a coward?

I'm pretty sure killing yourself with your own mine counts as a death and I usually set off enemy mines on purpose when they're near them so I can see that they died to themselves for my own satisfactory, also as said above by Gary I meant mort as a cowardly way out.

I should have explained this better but pretty much what the saying means (as far as I can tell) is when something goes horribly wrong and one mort's because of it. A good example of this would be, in Forteresse's case, getting to low health and not being able to heal without dropped bandages so you /mort instead of fighting to see if you can get out of a dire situation.

Shadowwinter a dit :

I'm pretty sure killing yourself with your own mine counts as a death and I usually set off enemy mines on purpose when they're near them so I can see that they died to themselves for my own satisfactory...

I do that too, it's fun.

Who cares about stats l: I just play for fun, and that's all that matters to me. Not really interested in kills or deaths because system exploits are already ongoing, like farming kills or going to rooms with lesser pros to avoid deaths. It's not like stats will judge who's the best. For all I know, there's already that one person out there who's going 1090-1 with a 100% round win rate. Just keep playin' and stop worrying about stats.

I knew the profiles would cause some debate. #deletetheprofiles2014

Profiles aren't necessarily a bad thing and just because a few people getting a little too competitive or using exploits doesn't mean that everyone should go overboard about it. I wouldn't say profiles are set to stay the way they are considering if it's going to be anything like Bouboum there's probably going to be multiple stat resets due to these exploits and what not until everything's fixed.

Farming and Stat-Padding are things that are just unavoidable but it's pretty easy to pick apart whether or not someone had worked for their stats, have just played for a long time, or really did farm and stat-pad. I personally use the profile to track my progress in something or to look at others to see a brief explanation of their play-style.

Profiles aren't going to change your game-play experience unless you actually care about them, otherwise it shouldn't be much of a bother if you really are just playing for fun.

Most of the Fortoresse friends I have PM things in the chat about how much explosive damage they done or how their K/D ratio is so good... and I'm just here like, "Ugh. Seriously."

This may sound a little rude and I apologize in advance if it does, but if people are giving you trouble like that you could always silence your whispers and use the ignore command if you really have to. It's what those commands are there for and there's no real solution to this issue besides that because you can't control what others say and do. ^^' We've all had to deal with it at some point, I'm sure.

I'm sorta against ignoring people because it's a form of well, arrogance isn't really the term, but more like being unfriendly, which isn't me. 0 people on mah ignored list as of right now. :P

Shadowtrophy a dit :

I'm sorta against ignoring people because it's a form of well, arrogance isn't really the term, but more like being unfriendly, which isn't me. 0 people on mah ignored list as of right now. :P

Yeah I agree, and I also play for fun, I may not be in room 1 because I'd lag extremely badly and have trouble moving at all, but I do play. And I don't really care about stats so much as all the other players.

That's understandable. I don't really see Forteresse as a competitive game myself but I'm not really opposed to the idea of it having a little friendly competition, although I don't think profiles were the way to go with this.. It's still something a lot of people wanted however.

I'm sure a lot of people care about stats right now because they just came out and people are having fun comparing and competing with their friends which I imagine the hype would go down for after a while. I wouldn't say this kind of behavior is temporary but in my opinion it'll definitely go down over time.

It's just another way of having fun~

Skill is 1 percent talent and 99 percent hardwork.

In the end, there's no real way to judge someone's gameplay/skill, even with the profile system now. You can't just call someone 'the best' because I'm sure there isn't one single person who just dominates the game because it's suppose to be teamwork; it's not an automatic win with a skilled person on a team because it depends on the entire team and how they play it out. But I will say there are a lot of really good players in the game.

And even though people get annoyed with the use of mine/C4 + shelter, (I get annoyed too, sometimes, even though I use it myself, lel) it's simply just a strategy people have picked up since it's effective and just because you use that method to kill people, it doesn't mean you aren't good at the game or vice versa.

To be honest, I couldn't care less about morting for better statistics, I don't use it but after all, it's still part of the game as of right now same with the mine/C4 + shelter tactic, so if people should happen to use it shouldn't be a big deal unless you are someone who really cares for the amount of deaths and kills. If it becomes a problem, I'm sure that they will remove or change it up.

Also, on the topic of farming, is Fortoresse same as Transformice where your kills/deaths don't count unless there are a certain amount of people and with different IP's?

I'd imagine it'd require at least 2 people in the room with unique IP's but I haven't tested it myself so I have no idea, 2 just seems logical right now because people do enjoy 1 vs 1's.

Buuut in the case to prevent farming (Which I'm sure they've thought about) I'm sure it'd be somewhere around 6~10 players.

Shadowwinter a dit :

I'd imagine it'd require at least 2 people in the room with unique IP's but I haven't tested it myself so I have no idea, 2 just seems logical right now because people do enjoy 1 vs 1's.

Buuut in the case to prevent farming (Which I'm sure they've thought about) I'm sure it'd be somewhere around 6~10 players.

pretty sure its 6 people for it to count for rounds as well. I've played in room 2 and there were about 6 people there including me and kills/rounds counted

Just to narrow it down, statistical gains count in 5 VS 5 situations as well. I played a game in Room 3 because of the lag and I noticed it.

I think there should be a best "team" since there are already tourneys for forto. So I guess we can do that. This game revolves around good player joining up to make an ultimate team anyways. Its a lot easier to tell.

GO TEAM DIGNITAS

Since the profile came out, many people change their mind : the people who get the higher ratio, they would be the pro. However, they only focus on killing people instead of helping the team... Also, i hope the pro would rly help the team and lead us to victory. So, i think the person who can lead the team to victory in always is the best tho, solo skill is not the main point of this game!