Should conj be scrapped? |
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Darroncool2 « Citoyen » 1457656800000
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ehhhhhhh Dernière modification le 1457750460000 |
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Darron can you think of any way to fix the issues with conj right now? Are there any issues? How would you replace the positives of conj if it were to be removed? Hint: There are actually three answers here 1) Are there no problems with the conjuration? Don't scrap at all 2) Are there problems with the conjuration? Don't scrap, find a way to fix it and suggest it. 3) Are there problems with the conjuration? Scrap it, it can't be fixed. Also, try not to seek me or others out for their opinions, think about it yourself. You may be fortoresse's future rolemodels some day, we need to fix this game. Dernière modification le 1457658240000 |
Thesnailgary « Citoyen » 1457658480000
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I don't think that conjuration is broken completely... It was a good concept that appeals to people because of the ability to create and manipulate. I think the broken part of the game is being able to glitch through tons of conjuration or regular blocks, surprising the enemy in a way that wasn't ever really meant to be(In my opinion). I think that they should fix that part, then I suppose I'll see. It is interesting however to see what the game would be like without conjuration. |
Rohelio « Citoyen » 1457661300000
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I don't really think conj ruins the game that much.conj has amazing abilities like shielding, sliding and more.the bad think about conj is glitching to me.i think they should fix glitching.And i agree with Gary also.I am now thinking what it would be like without conj |
Battler269 « Citoyen » 1457663280000
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WTF HELL NO! What in the world of OWIHLNDWRNLWRBW is your problem with conjure?!! |
Masterkaren « Citoyen » 1457666040000
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Conjure is an important part of the game, and, like Rohelio stated before, it is necessary for shielding, sliding, etc. However, conj is messing people up, especially with the glitching portion. So, I think, thst conj should be kept, but it needs some help. :) EDIT: I might as well just quote Rohelio. -_- Dernière modification le 1457666280000 |
+Supergrunt « Citoyen » 1457684820000
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You can glitch through blocks on Forteresse at a slow pace and only in a straight line (up or down, the direction is based on a horizontal line) so the enemy team have enough time to shoot before you can. You can use conj on your friends/enemies of course (no conj zone around the fridge) but the result isn't that terrible next to Fortoresse, either you end up in another area or you spawn back to the spawnpoint (you don't die, it's just like a teleporter) . It's not broken and no one complain about that on Extinction... and : On that map, the horizontal line is very low on purpose, to glitch all the way to the fridges... not broken at all. Thesnailgary a dit : Just the perfect comment, it's so fast you don't have time to attack before taking shots. |
Micolovemom « Citoyen » 1457739180000
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This is mainly opinion based and there many reasons why would someone wold want to remove conj from this game of course there going to need to fix a lot of maps and change a lot about the game if they remove conj. Think about it if we removed conj some vip could stay in a corner break everything so atieler 801 would need to make new maps. But of course the amount of attention they put into this game 0 so this idea of removing conj is pointless as well as the amount of cons and little pros it wi'll give the game, |
Darroncool2 « Citoyen » 1457750400000
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I made my finall decision it is that the conjure should not, be removed but, the conjure does indeed have some problems: Glitching through stuff, and there's it takes up a large amount of space, so furth the conj is good in a way: it gives us some more killing techniques like sliding, and other cjs. so its kinda a yes then a no so yeah :). |
Holistergo « Citoyen » 1457757960000
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This is too easy to decide if you have the pros and cons. Conj is so important to this game, without conj it will change playstyle a lot, From decisive play to dumb general spas users. All standing no movement, all the maps require conj to get through quickly. This will only remind me of a first player shooting game with no team at all. It will just be one person dies after another no reason why it should be removed even with all the cons. The cons are that as most people have said, glitching is a problem, especailly in vip maps, many are voided and its not fair to the new players. Conj is somewhat abused that way. Further more, the game is not yet updated to adapt to how players use conj today, voiding is a norm and glitching can go REALLY wrong. It can either turn out good or bad nothing we can fix, however we can fix the void. The thing about surprise glitching is that people don't know how to respond to it. It can be used very op but then again nothing we can fix, the game reacts thay way because you're not suppose to be stuck in bunches of blocks, it does everything chaotic to try and get you out, glitching is already so unpredictable, there is so little that we can do to try and somewhat control where we want to go. Its not a problem, however glitching through large amounts of blocks is a problem. One thing i can say about this is that you don't always follow through. You can get stuck or automatically go straight UP. It happens but thats only because its random. We can change this by making it even more chaotic to where the player will go. No longer will people push themselves downwards and have the highest chance of going down. Instead they will glitch very wildly, so unpredictable you have a high chance of dying or going the opposite direction you propelled yourself. Problems with conj is how newbies use it, it blocks other players by making walls to block their team's shots. However we must remember that conj has a limit and a regen time. I can say more but i believe that this is all players need to think about to make their decision. In conclusion i am all for change, just not direct change. Conj is not the problem, the problem is how different situation react to it. Voiding glitching, is all not possible without conj, but also impossible without the map's terrain. There are also ways to prevent gun blockage such as faster guns or advancing forward, you do know that you can walk through it. This is why i always say STEP UP. Find a good posistion to shoot outside the conj blockage, its wrong to just go right in front of it but you can find a posistion. For example make a thing opening of about 1-2 blocks in length, good enough for accurate weapons to shoot, you can stand 5-8 blocks in the massive wall and be protected by the shield, only way you can get shot is if someone takes the time to stop and aim for you. Another way is to use high ammo guns or fast guns, THings like famas p90 m60 are good, in less than 2 seconds conj will start to decrease. this image here shows that i can shoot horizontally or diagonally, if you look if i shoot diagonally downwards i can not get hit by a sniper leaving only my body which is protected by a 8 layer thick conj blockage, this is not a shield just a mere conj overload. f you check in front of me as well, there is still a pretty thick layer protecting me, no put an "indent shield" in front of me and i can withstand sniper shots or any sharp shooter like m4 a1 an94 etc. So again all for change just not direct change, problem is more on how new players use it to block others and void is not blocked. Glitching is too random and unpredictable. A successful glitch is too rewarding. |
+Supergrunt « Citoyen » 1457767860000
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Glitching very slowly would fix the problem for surprise attacks, not sure it's possible... |
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I want people to consider what could replace conj if it were to be removed as well, not just what could be done to fix it now. Go beyond the limitations of what we have now, think of something new. Think about something that would replace it (if you wanted to replace it) in terms of the positives of conj. For example, how would you allow people to get around, and how would you allow people to defend? Think about what we've got: We have perks, and an inactive spacebar. What could be done? |
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Riiazu « Citoyen » 1457813760000
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I don't think it should be scrapped It will then limit us to just dig and stay on the low platform But if it gets removed,then laggers (or how they are called) won't be able to use conj again Dernière modification le 1457860380000 |
Minsunny « Citoyen » 1457832060000
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I'll vote no. conjure is as important as the guns. Imagine without guns, what's the point of the game. |
Shadowtrophy « Citoyen » 1457836080000
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would say no |
Holistergo « Citoyen » 1457836800000
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To answer Solfn's question of what we can use to replace conj. We have to consider the uses for conj. Shielding, movement, glitching, and building. I don't want any perks that will do this, conj is pretty different from the defense we use. It doesn't block damage, it blocks bullets.So lets think of something that can do the same, however conj is pretty basic and not very complex when you just look at it. Anything else to replace conj will be too complex, unless you can figure out something out of my ideas. |
Siberianboss « Citoyen » 1457889060000
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Def no. Sure it might need some fixes, but personally I think conj is one of the few things that doesn't need a change. At least not the way things look like right now. |
+Supergrunt « Citoyen » 1457900820000
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holistergo a dit : "simple" is a key word on Extinction for all three games, you can't replace conj without doing a lot of things behind. |
Holistergo « Citoyen » 1457904960000
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+supergrunt a dit : Yes, this is why i would love to have the block making system that extinction has, i haven't thought through it yet, but i know that your blocks are solid to your team? this can somewhat encourage trolling but the way conjuration regenerates is different, and how it is also much slower and harder to glitch however it is also easier to void. I also understand that moving up is slower where as in fortoresse it is very fast. If we can use this and still make transparent blocks to teammates, i believe it will work. It will also encourage smarter usage for conj such as the necessity to learn CJS. This is not a replacement for conj but it is a replacement for the conj system we have now. |