If you see guests trolling just relax man.. k? It's justs testing out the game. when you were new and you got your first first, you were probably really proud.. Guests feel the same way.. It's just that they don't feel like making a new account or just would like to try out the game! And the guests aren't "stealing" the firsts they are just getting stats like we all do! Sure they might not use them, but one first wouldn't hurt, from one guest mouse.. Think of how many firsts you've out proed them because you have had more experience in the game.. Nobody's perfect Ok? Just relax if you don't like guest mice just leave the room.

GUESTS ARE PEOPLE TOO

THEY NEED ABILITIES TOO

I think this should be added to the game...

/SUPPORT

Erikadeedee a dit :

GUESTS ARE PEOPLE TOO

THEY NEED ABILITIES TOO

I wont take an hour to make an account, it's not even that hard...

Kredos a dit :

I wont take an hour to make an account

That is correct, but if you have played more games online you often notice you need to fill in a complete form including e-mail validation in order to play a game. So it's easy to assume you need to do the same for TFM. That is why it's convenient to be able to log on without registering.

It's already been said by a few people, but I'll say what I think because I'm far too lazy to read them all.

I do not believe that guests should be so limited like that. There may be some points that you make a valid argument on, but most of them sound unfair. When I go somewhere to check out a game and see if I'll enjoy it, the last thing I want to do is register (whilst registering for TFM isn't very time consuming from what I remember). I want to get in, experience what it has to offer, and then decide whether I like it or not.

What you're proposing takes away 90% of the experience. It doesn't give the guest the full experience of the game, and as such, sells it short and may give the potentially new player a negative experience where they would have otherwise been happy.

a "real" guest that's just trying out the game doesn't play for an hour trying yo make up their mind about a game as straight forward as this one! so the very limited abilitys shouldn't effect their experience. It doesn't matter how other games work we're talking about this game and this game takes like 60 seconds to make an account on.

Erikadeedee a dit :

GUESTS ARE PEOPLE TOO

THEY NEED ABILITIES TOO

hey guess what! guests are people to and in a little something called real life when a person 1st starts out in something they have limited abilitys in one form or another!

Describe a dit :

What you're proposing takes away 90% of the experience. It doesn't give the guest the full experience of the game, and as such, sells it short and may give the potentially new player a negative experience where they would have otherwise been happy.

i said already how this wouldn't take away very much and in some cases none at all of the experience in many different ways. i don't feel like repeating myself again, i already did near the start of this post.

Makinit a dit :

'first' means 'first' and not 'second' or 'behind guest'. Deal with it.

i must admit you have a good point there, but... it's not that they beat me that's annoying or anything like that. i already pointed out how the odds of a real guest getting 1st is slim to none so this wouldn't effect them at all. for all practicle purposes the only guests that get 1sts are trolls and once again, it's not that they beat me that annoys me. it's that i know they're a "guest troll" and that they don't get stats so they're purposly wasting 1sts! the "good" guest trolls can take over half of all the 1sts in the room and that's a huge waste.

some one said it and i'm not sure who at this point so i'll just repeate what they said or atleast something that means the same thing as what they said. "if a guest annoys you so much then vote ban them or just switch rooms" well i pointed this out in the start of this thread i beleive. for some reason most people think guests are cute or something else sick like that... so it's near impossible to get a guest vote banned. after 2 or more years of playing this game i have NEVER! seen a guest get vote bannded, only banned by a mod if one of them is hacking but that's totally off subject. as for the whole idea of just leaving a room cuz of a guest troll.... if i 1st enter a room and see a guest troll i do leave. but when i'm already in a room and have been for a while then i've already built up points for a sham turn, invited friends to the room, and started talking to a lot of people in the room. i don't want to leave the room when a guest troll comes in after i've done all that! guest trolls are just plane rude no matter what way you try to explain them! when this happens it's like this. imagen you're at the movie theater, you got there early and found the best seat in the house with all your friends and have settled in with all your snacks... then a huge 6 foot guy comes in and sits right infront of you blocking the middle of the screen. you and your group shouldn't have to pick everything up and move cuz of 1 guy. it's easier to just ask the guy who just sat down if he could kindly move back a row or a little to the side. but sadly you can't ask the same thing to a guest troll cuz guess what! they're trolls! they want to annoy you!!! so just stop trying to make them out as sweet innocent victims here. the abilitys i want blocked for them would hardly if at all effect a real guest. it would only take care of the idiotic guest troll problem.

I personally don't see the problem with guests...

If they get a first - Well, don't let them then.
They troll - Kill/Ice them.
They waste w/e - Well, your wasting time playing a game.

/no support
those who are really wanting to see the game but can't play the best role (which is the shaman) cannot learn what you have to learn.
Also, i think guests can take firsts so they'll know what happens if they make a mouse (instead of playing as a guest)

instead of taking away powers from guests, there should be a special room for them (such as /room learning) where only GUESTS can enter in so they may play with themselfs and not annoy the other players

i agree with the post above

Tibal a dit :

This topic has been on the minds of players since TFM started... let me try and address your concerns and give you the basic feelings of the admins, as I understand them:

I won't disagree that players are using guest accounts as probably not intended, but I wouldn't consider this abuse... instead, if their behavior is negative, I would consider it trolling, which is part of the game (not bannable by mods, but still 'bannable' by players if they want to kick the player). Removing the basic features from guests would make the game undesireable to those who are just trying it out and decided not to go through the steps of creating an account.

The idea was thought up a while ago of putting all guest accounts into their own little segregated world, but the admins didn't like this idea either because then you would have two groups in this separate area: one group of new players who have no idea what's going on and have no way of learning how to do things by watching those who do know.... and a bunch of troll players who are only in there to mess around with the new players and get some laughs out of it. This situation would likely not result in the guest players deciding to create an account and actually play the game.

So then, what about the real players who hide behind the guest accounts, just to mess around, "steal firsts", etc.? What would be the difference between a guest doing this and an alt? Literally, the only difference is that the person behind the keyboard didn't have to spend an extra 1 minute creating some random player name. The result is the same, if this player wants to enter a room and troll, "steal firsts", waste time, etc.

For a while, guests were not allowed to get first and it was entirely unfair to any player on a guest account as they would instantly bubble if they hit the hole before a non-guest. As a true new player to the game, this would be rather annoying and upsetting... and to someone who is just there to troll, they would simply find other ways of doing it

So, in summary and tl;dr:

<li>Adding restrictions to guests only hurts the game
If you don't like what a guest is doing, kick them from the room via voteban or leave the room
Trolling is part of the game, if you don't like it, see ^</li>

I'll leave this topic open for discussion and/or other ideas, but just take note that this complaint (which, not to be mean, really all it is) has been heard hundreds of times before and things are still as they are.

Very true. And, I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to get firsts, let's say a guest got a first by luck and dies. He still wants his points. ._.

That system did occur at one time, and a lot of people were angry. Hence it's removal.

Eagleoflight a dit :

Guests can do nearly every thing we can... which has lead to the abuse of guest accounts. any one who is actually new to the game as thus trys it out as a guest wont know how to do anything. so here is a list of things i think guests should no longer be allowed to do and why.
Guests shouldn't be able to be the shaman. reason: a real guest has no clue what they are doing and thus mice end up all suiciding and no one gets cheese. but ppl who troll by getting on a guest account when they aren't at all new to the game, will do things like cannon every one or favo some one and for some reason no one ever kicks a guest from a room for wasting our time like that....
Guests shouldn't be able to take 1st place. a real guest has to get extremely lucky to even get 1st place AND a guest has no use for stats. so these pros come along and hop on a guest account to troll most of the 1st's from the mice. this is really rude and should be stopped.
Guests shouldn't be able to be soul mates. a real guest that becomes soul mates with a normal player will just kill the normal player 9 times out of 10. as for what i call "fake guests" aka a normal player that for some crazy reason is playing as a guest. they just troll you most of the time. refusing to let you go in the hole and what not.
Guests shouldn't be able to count as mice not in the hole. real guests and fake guests cause the same problem in this case. a real guests often fails to get in the hole and thus the shaman is stuck. thankfully real guests also die more often than not. where as a fake guest will troll the shaman, refusing to enter the hole and dodging cannons. granted shamans can ice 2 players... but sometimes there are more than 2 fake guests. from my experiance there are more than 2 about 33.33% of the time. so shaman should be able to enter the hole if the only mice still alive and outside the hole are guests.

I feel like all 4 things i listed are valid complaints that all we mice have to suffer thru. if you want to troll you should do it on your real account so that people will have a name to hate and possibly vote ban. guest trolling is wrong and wastes so much time.
Granted the whole idea behind guest accounts is to try out the game before making an account, but guest accounts are clearly abused. also a real guest would still get a good idea of how the game works even if these abilitys are removed from guests. one other thing, it should be easy enough for yall to just set up auto messages for guests that inform them of their slightly limited abilitys and that all they have to do is make an account to have full access. please considere this as a real possibility :)

You said they take firsts and its not RUDE you just need skill

Sonixdoom a dit :

You said they take firsts and its not RUDE you just need skill

I agree, I think this thread should be locked.
Well locked if fighting on threads can be caused becaue of this... And Etc.

/half support

/support on 1. 2. and 4. /no support on 3. because 1.some people woulndt have souls T_T and 2. its like cheese is so important...

/no support

Why did I even read this thread

First of all, I quite like logging in as guest sometimes, which no-one thought of bringing up except for the guy back there who was making that whole comparison about noob BRs and steriotyping and stuff. I like the name versitality, and I like not being able to speak (weird huh) But I would be pretty pissed off if I couldnt shaman, or soulmate, or grab firsts. Not all guests are noob, and not all accounts are good at the game. I've seen WAY too many beginning accounts accidently cannon everyone, or spam planks and spirits, or not be able to wj to the hole. It's true, I have seen many guests trolling, but if guests were restricted then they could just take a few seconds to make a one-use account. It isn't that hard. And sure, I am pretty mad when a guest gets a first, while I only get second. BUT GUESS WHAT? That's Transformice! If the guest had taken a few seconds to make a real account, I'd still have been second, and they'd still have taken my first.

Okay now I just KNOW my brain is deteriorating. I thought I had made a promise not to post on stupid threads.

The points in green are the points I agree, Red means I dont agree.Yellow is my reason why yes/no.


Guests shouldn't be able to be the shaman. reason: a real guest has no clue what they are doing and thus mice end up all suiciding and no one gets cheese. but ppl who troll by getting on a guest account when they aren't at all new to the game, will do things like cannon every one or favo some one and for some reason no one ever kicks a guest from a room for wasting our time like that....
Think, how often do guest actually become shaman? Even if they become shaman, how long max. would they take to troll/waste time. From what you said,"thus mice end up suiciding and no one gets cheese" that shows that if everyone suicides, no one would waste any time, maybe 20 seconds?Feel free to tell me how you feel.

Guests shouldn't be able to take 1st place. a real guest has to get extremely lucky to even get 1st place AND a guest has no use for stats. so these pros come along and hop on a guest account to troll most of the 1st's from the mice. this is really rude and should be stopped. That's really sad to lose your first to a guest. Since you can lose to a guest in first, that shows that the guest is pro. My suggestion is to not allow any guest to enter the hole until the first registered player enters the hole.


Guests shouldn't be able to be soul mates. a real guest that becomes soul mates with a normal player will just kill the normal player 9 times out of 10. as for what i call "fake guests" aka a normal player that for some crazy reason is playing as a guest. they just troll you most of the time. refusing to let you go in the hole and what not.
What I think is right is that they pair guest with guest first, if there is an extra guest left, we do not pair the guest, even if there is a normal registered player which does not have a soulmate. Even if the guest get the cheese and return to the hole, if you follow my suggestion at the top, the guest cannot enter until someone enters.

Guests shouldn't be able to count as mice not in the hole. real guests and fake guests cause the same problem in this case. a real guests often fails to get in the hole and thus the shaman is stuck. thankfully real guests also die more often than not. where as a fake guest will troll the shaman, refusing to enter the hole and dodging cannons. granted shamans can ice 2 players... but sometimes there are more than 2 fake guests. from my experiance there are more than 2 about 33.33% of the time. so shaman should be able to enter the hole if the only mice still alive and outside the hole are guests.
What I feel about this case is that they should consider guest as nothing. What I mean is that like if everyone enters the hole except for guest, the map will be considered completed and change map. So for example, there are 16 mice in a room, 2 is guest, 14 mice and 1 guest went in the hole, 1 mice died. Now they are waiting for 1 mouse and 1 guest. If the mouse get in first, finished next map. If the guest gets in first then we would still have to wait for the 1 mouse.I hope you know what I mean.

People really should stop claiming they should win when they lose to a guest, 'first' means 'first' and not 'second' or 'behind guest'.

Guests should be limited because some of them are new to the game, are better than you or are trolls? The same goes for all players.

There is absolutely no need to limit guests' abilities, every player should be treated equally, gameplay-wise.

Makinit a dit :

People really should stop claiming they should win when they lose to a guest, 'first' means 'first' and not 'second' or 'behind guest'.

Guests should be limited because some of them are new to the game, are better than you or are trolls? The same goes for all players.

There is absolutely no need to limit guests' abilities, every player should be treated equally, gameplay-wise.

Guest are players, I see no intention to use a guest account when you can simply create one. Unless they hack.

Championrs a dit :

Guest are players, I see no intention to use a guest account when you can simply create one. Unless they hack.

Registered players hack too. Being able to play without registering is great. Just because you don't intend to use it, doesn't mean everyone should be forced to register by limiting guests' gameplay abilities.