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Sorry my editing skills are horrible. Would be so much better with a tablet. Anyway, here's what I came up with (figured I better not get into too much detail, as I am learning still too.)


1. Awkward Ears: Ears are something that you learn over time. For that particular pose and style, the left ear seemed fine. However, ears don't generally bend backwards or in a 180 degree angle, so I fixed it a bit for you (in editing) and gave you a couple tips. If the ears are forward and the pose is more of a side shot, the ear behind doesn't necessarily need to show inward, if that makes sense. You can draw it and it can just show the color of the fur. You'll see it in the edit. Now, if the drawing is a front face shot, you would want both ears showing inward, but don't make it too awkward.

2. If you are drawing in the style of Chibi, the eyes are supposed to be big and cute. However, the eye takes up too much face space. Make the snouts a little longer (or the face bigger) to fit the eyes. Will look more proportioned that way.

3. Legs. You have no idea how much I struggle with legs. I have come up with a technique that looks difficult, but rather simple The way you drew the legs makes the "mouse" look like a plushie (or teddy bear.) I helped you out with how the legs bend and stuff (since legs have joints.

P.S. Don't mind the feet, everyone does them differently. I think with every drawing I have done, feet have been different in each one. Lol.

Good luck! I hope to see more art from you. You've got a great start and looking really cute. <3

ùmm, alot of things you just mentioned are based on your style..

Not necessarily. YOU think it is because I happened to edit her pic with MY style. I'm not saying she has to use my style. She will learn her own, just helping her out with a few things. I mean, yeah not everyone has jointed legs on their drawings. So what? It's just a tip, not saying she has to use it.

You have your own way of helping people (if you even do), and I have mine. My way just happens to show how I do things, but that doesn't mean that person has to use my way of things. I even mentioned that a few times in that critique.

No need to be rude. Anyway, I'm not spamming this thread with how much my art sucks and yours is perfect. If you have an issue with how I try to help people, then message me.

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Sorry my editing skills are horrible. Would be so much better with a tablet. Anyway, here's what I came up with (figured I better not get into too much detail, as I am learning still too.)


1. Awkward Ears: Ears are something that you learn over time. For that particular pose and style, the left ear seemed fine. However, ears don't generally bend backwards or in a 180 degree angle, so I fixed it a bit for you (in editing) and gave you a couple tips. If the ears are forward and the pose is more of a side shot, the ear behind doesn't necessarily need to show inward, if that makes sense. You can draw it and it can just show the color of the fur. You'll see it in the edit. Now, if the drawing is a front face shot, you would want both ears showing inward, but don't make it too awkward.

2. If you are drawing in the style of Chibi, the eyes are supposed to be big and cute. However, the eye takes up too much face space. Make the snouts a little longer (or the face bigger) to fit the eyes. Will look more proportioned that way.

3. Legs. You have no idea how much I struggle with legs. I have come up with a technique that looks difficult, but rather simple The way you drew the legs makes the "mouse" look like a plushie (or teddy bear.) I helped you out with how the legs bend and stuff (since legs have joints.

P.S. Don't mind the feet, everyone does them differently. I think with every drawing I have done, feet have been different in each one. Lol.

Good luck! I hope to see more art from you. You've got a great start and looking really cute. <3

ùmm, alot of things you just mentioned are based on your style..

Not necessarily. YOU think it is because I happened to edit her pic with MY style. I'm not saying she has to use my style. She will learn her own, just helping her out with a few things. I mean, yeah not everyone has jointed legs on their drawings. So what? It's just a tip, not saying she has to use it.

You have your own way of helping people (if you even do), and I have mine. My way just happens to show how I do things, but that doesn't mean that person has to use my way of things. I even mentioned that a few times in that critique.

No need to be rude.

Well if you see it that way, than okay.
I was not rude at all though.. maybe need to check that over ;)
Okaaaay... i saw the edit and, if you look close at my text you see i never mentioned your art sucks and mine is perfect. Never even thought it.

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2.) Help the artist, not make them feel bad. On the other hand, help the artist but don't ass pat them.
Help the artist and don't kiss their asses. It can lead to big egos and they will not improve if they think they hit the max. Do not force your style onto them or make them change it, they are not supposed to change their style from the influence from this thread. Do not kick them around though, they are not going to improve them that either.

4.) Is this going to help them or is it going to help you?
This rule is here because sometimes people just don't like the art piece. Some will even try to get the artist to change what they don't like. If you are going to include what is annoying you in their art piece, say that it is YOUR PREFERENCE/ANNOYANCES.

From the OP.

Also for reference, if you're redlining make it a bit easier to see -- lower the opacity of the piece you are red-lining and choose a brighter colour than the piece.

Finally, I don't think that piece was supposed to be of a mouse, but a dog-type character.

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2.) Help the artist, not make them feel bad. On the other hand, help the artist but don't ass pat them.
Help the artist and don't kiss their asses. It can lead to big egos and they will not improve if they think they hit the max. Do not force your style onto them or make them change it, they are not supposed to change their style from the influence from this thread. Do not kick them around though, they are not going to improve them that either.

4.) Is this going to help them or is it going to help you?
This rule is here because sometimes people just don't like the art piece. Some will even try to get the artist to change what they don't like. If you are going to include what is annoying you in their art piece, say that it is YOUR PREFERENCE/ANNOYANCES.

From the OP.

Also for reference, if you're redlining make it a bit easier to see -- lower the opacity of the piece you are red-lining and choose a brighter colour than the piece.

Finally, I don't think that piece was supposed to be of a mouse, but a dog-type character.

I wasn't "changing" her style or forcing mine on her. Jeez. I simply used my style to show her how to do things a bit differently. Is that a crime?

Yeah, it probably isn't a mouse. That's why I put it in quotations. ""

I don't care if this is a double post.

I give give give and all I get in return is "you did this, you did that, you're trying to change this person, you're trying to change that person."

Fine. Won't help anyone else out. :)

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I don't care if this is a double post.

I give give give and all I get in return is "you did this, you did that, you're trying to change this person, you're trying to change that person."

Fine. Won't help anyone else out. :)

Ok now, where did they say you were trying to change their style and that you were supposedly forcing your art style on them? They were pointing out your mistakes so that you could improve on helping others.

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I don't care if this is a double post.

I give give give and all I get in return is "you did this, you did that, you're trying to change this person, you're trying to change that person."

Fine. Won't help anyone else out. :)

Yo, you're giving quite an attitude. The only reason why they're flicking your forehead is because you used your style to critique, you should just acknowledge that and move on. The artist had a definite style that you should not have tried to change because you're supposed to help with what's already there.
Just because you got a few flicks doesn't mean you should say everyone is ungrateful and be defensive about it. Just move on.

I did move on, that's why I didn't reply. Now quit replying to my stupidity and move on as well.

Moving right along then.

The writing thread was pruned apparently, I get internal errors when I try to access it (so I guess you can remove the link to it?). I guess I'll post this here until I recreate it. @_@

Can someone critique this synopsis for my NaNoWriMo novel? I'm not completely happy with it but I was tired of waiting for an hour trying to rework it so I could post it.

This thread needs jesus

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well i need some critique about this one nvn

Spoiler

im so uncomfortable with everything ;;

(also i forgot to draw tail pfft sorry)

I think the style of the face/snout is really cute!

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I think I finally found my style, but I need some critique. This is my first piece with absolutely ZERO lines. I know the mouse is a tad bit skinny and I'm still working on backgrounds.
Mostly worried about the body anatomy and stuff.

Spoiler

i apologize in advance for any errors
/!\ LONG ASS CRITIQUE WARNING /!\

Let's start with a green/red line
(Green indicates corrections and red indicates wrong things.)

let's start with the wrong things and then move into corrections that i put.
i'll get into this more later, but you have to learn to draw more than what is seen in the final picture. look at my red line of the hair. once you see how it would look behind the ear, you can tell that the hair looks unreal and "glued on" as a lot of people describe it.
that eye is out of place. it is way too high up and rotated on the head and was probably the first thing in this whole picture that grabbed my attention.
that arm is bent in just one spot- and it's the wrong spot.
look at it this way: if i told you to bend your arm like the picture, would it be possible? no. the bend in the arm, or the elbow, pretty much divides the arm in half. it's even on both sides.
when you think about the mouse's left leg, dont you see that it's not in good proportion to the right leg? the thigh sticks out way too far and after the bend, there is more leg leading down to the foot than there is on the right leg.

onto corrections...
the head looks way too flat on the top. you should try making it appear more round.
i moved the eye to a more correct spot. i used my eye style, yes, but you can still use your own. just dont rotate it so much
the mouse is probably a bit too skinny, so i plumped her up a little bit.
i drew a more proper arm for you... also, where is her other arm...?
it may just be me, but i think the tail is just a tad bit too high.

so, i also want to teach you a more efficient way to sketch.

my first question to you is simple: do you sketch the drawing first? if you do not, then that is absolutely a problem and you should definitely start.

now, do your sketches look a bit like this?


looking at that sketch, you may not see much wrong besides what i've already pointed out. but that sketch is very simple and you honestly might as well not even sketch if you do it like that.
that is how you make mistakes like the out of place leg or giant hair.

your sketches should look more like this:


notice how everything has been drawn. even if i know for a fact that something isnt going to completely show in my final drawing or if it wont show at all, i still draw it. this is to make sure that it is not going to be out of place.
by doing this, you can make sure you include more than one side of things, such as the ears or the arms.
you can also prevent problems like bulging hair or stretched out legs.
this way, it's also probably easier to see that the eye is out of place.

sorry for making this long, but i hope it helps!

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Broncosfan a dit :VoirMasquer

I think I finally found my style, but I need some critique. This is my first piece with absolutely ZERO lines. I know the mouse is a tad bit skinny and I'm still working on backgrounds.
Mostly worried about the body anatomy and stuff.

Spoiler

i apologize in advance for any errors
/!\ LONG ASS CRITIQUE WARNING /!\

Let's start with a green/red line
(Green indicates corrections and red indicates wrong things.)

let's start with the wrong things and then move into corrections that i put.
i'll get into this more later, but you have to learn to draw more than what is seen in the final picture. look at my red line of the hair. once you see how it would look behind the ear, you can tell that the hair looks unreal and "glued on" as a lot of people describe it.
that eye is out of place. it is way too high up and rotated on the head and was probably the first thing in this whole picture that grabbed my attention.
that arm is bent in just one spot- and it's the wrong spot.
look at it this way: if i told you to bend your arm like the picture, would it be possible? no. the bend in the arm, or the elbow, pretty much divides the arm in half. it's even on both sides.
when you think about the mouse's left leg, dont you see that it's not in good proportion to the right leg? the thigh sticks out way too far and after the bend, there is more leg leading down to the foot than there is on the right leg.

onto corrections...
the head looks way too flat on the top. you should try making it appear more round.
i moved the eye to a more correct spot. i used my eye style, yes, but you can still use your own. just dont rotate it so much
the mouse is probably a bit too skinny, so i plumped her up a little bit.
i drew a more proper arm for you... also, where is her other arm...?
it may just be me, but i think the tail is just a tad bit too high.

so, i also want to teach you a more efficient way to sketch.

my first question to you is simple: do you sketch the drawing first? if you do not, then that is absolutely a problem and you should definitely start.

now, do your sketches look a bit like this?


looking at that sketch, you may not see much wrong besides what i've already pointed out. but that sketch is very simple and you honestly might as well not even sketch if you do it like that.
that is how you make mistakes like the out of place leg or giant hair.

your sketches should look more like this:


notice how everything has been drawn. even if i know for a fact that something isnt going to completely show in my final drawing or if it wont show at all, i still draw it. this is to make sure that it is not going to be out of place.
by doing this, you can make sure you include more than one side of things, such as the ears or the arms.
you can also prevent problems like bulging hair or stretched out legs.
this way, it's also probably easier to see that the eye is out of place.

sorry for making this long, but i hope it helps!

See, as for sketching, it's actually rather hard not having a tablet. I do sketch something similar to the top one, though. I've tried sketching like I would on paper and pencil, but I get two entirely different images and cringe. when I draw with paper and pencil, I sketch like the second sketch you provided.
I do try to round the heads and sometimes have a hell of a time with it. When I made this, I did catch something floppy with the eye, but didn't think anything of it. Same with the leg, like it would just blend in. Now that it really IS noticeable, that is something I'll look more at when sketching out what I'm drawing.

This helped out quite a bit, actually. Thank you, Shard! <3

Critique:

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Broncosfan a dit :VoirMasquer

I think I finally found my style, but I need some critique. This is my first piece with absolutely ZERO lines. I know the mouse is a tad bit skinny and I'm still working on backgrounds.
Mostly worried about the body anatomy and stuff.

Spoiler

i apologize in advance for any errors
/!\ LONG ASS CRITIQUE WARNING /!\

Let's start with a green/red line
(Green indicates corrections and red indicates wrong things.)

let's start with the wrong things and then move into corrections that i put.
i'll get into this more later, but you have to learn to draw more than what is seen in the final picture. look at my red line of the hair. once you see how it would look behind the ear, you can tell that the hair looks unreal and "glued on" as a lot of people describe it.
that eye is out of place. it is way too high up and rotated on the head and was probably the first thing in this whole picture that grabbed my attention.
that arm is bent in just one spot- and it's the wrong spot.
look at it this way: if i told you to bend your arm like the picture, would it be possible? no. the bend in the arm, or the elbow, pretty much divides the arm in half. it's even on both sides.
when you think about the mouse's left leg, dont you see that it's not in good proportion to the right leg? the thigh sticks out way too far and after the bend, there is more leg leading down to the foot than there is on the right leg.

onto corrections...
the head looks way too flat on the top. you should try making it appear more round.
i moved the eye to a more correct spot. i used my eye style, yes, but you can still use your own. just dont rotate it so much
the mouse is probably a bit too skinny, so i plumped her up a little bit.
i drew a more proper arm for you... also, where is her other arm...?
it may just be me, but i think the tail is just a tad bit too high.

so, i also want to teach you a more efficient way to sketch.

my first question to you is simple: do you sketch the drawing first? if you do not, then that is absolutely a problem and you should definitely start.

now, do your sketches look a bit like this?


looking at that sketch, you may not see much wrong besides what i've already pointed out. but that sketch is very simple and you honestly might as well not even sketch if you do it like that.
that is how you make mistakes like the out of place leg or giant hair.

your sketches should look more like this:


notice how everything has been drawn. even if i know for a fact that something isnt going to completely show in my final drawing or if it wont show at all, i still draw it. this is to make sure that it is not going to be out of place.
by doing this, you can make sure you include more than one side of things, such as the ears or the arms.
you can also prevent problems like bulging hair or stretched out legs.
this way, it's also probably easier to see that the eye is out of place.

sorry for making this long, but i hope it helps!

See, as for sketching, it's actually rather hard not having a tablet. I do sketch something similar to the top one, though. I've tried sketching like I would on paper and pencil, but I get two entirely different images and cringe. when I draw with paper and pencil, I sketch like the second sketch you provided.
I do try to round the heads and sometimes have a hell of a time with it. When I made this, I did catch something floppy with the eye, but didn't think anything of it. Same with the leg, like it would just blend in. Now that it really IS noticeable, that is something I'll look more at when sketching out what I'm drawing.

This helped out quite a bit, actually. Thank you, Shard! &lt;3

yup
do you have a scanner or camera? you could sketch on paper and copy it onto your drawing program.

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Broncosfan a dit :VoirMasquer

I think I finally found my style, but I need some critique. This is my first piece with absolutely ZERO lines. I know the mouse is a tad bit skinny and I'm still working on backgrounds.
Mostly worried about the body anatomy and stuff.

Spoiler

i apologize in advance for any errors
/!\ LONG ASS CRITIQUE WARNING /!\

Let's start with a green/red line
(Green indicates corrections and red indicates wrong things.)

let's start with the wrong things and then move into corrections that i put.
i'll get into this more later, but you have to learn to draw more than what is seen in the final picture. look at my red line of the hair. once you see how it would look behind the ear, you can tell that the hair looks unreal and "glued on" as a lot of people describe it.
that eye is out of place. it is way too high up and rotated on the head and was probably the first thing in this whole picture that grabbed my attention.
that arm is bent in just one spot- and it's the wrong spot.
look at it this way: if i told you to bend your arm like the picture, would it be possible? no. the bend in the arm, or the elbow, pretty much divides the arm in half. it's even on both sides.
when you think about the mouse's left leg, dont you see that it's not in good proportion to the right leg? the thigh sticks out way too far and after the bend, there is more leg leading down to the foot than there is on the right leg.

onto corrections...
the head looks way too flat on the top. you should try making it appear more round.
i moved the eye to a more correct spot. i used my eye style, yes, but you can still use your own. just dont rotate it so much
the mouse is probably a bit too skinny, so i plumped her up a little bit.
i drew a more proper arm for you... also, where is her other arm...?
it may just be me, but i think the tail is just a tad bit too high.

so, i also want to teach you a more efficient way to sketch.

my first question to you is simple: do you sketch the drawing first? if you do not, then that is absolutely a problem and you should definitely start.

now, do your sketches look a bit like this?


looking at that sketch, you may not see much wrong besides what i've already pointed out. but that sketch is very simple and you honestly might as well not even sketch if you do it like that.
that is how you make mistakes like the out of place leg or giant hair.

your sketches should look more like this:


notice how everything has been drawn. even if i know for a fact that something isnt going to completely show in my final drawing or if it wont show at all, i still draw it. this is to make sure that it is not going to be out of place.
by doing this, you can make sure you include more than one side of things, such as the ears or the arms.
you can also prevent problems like bulging hair or stretched out legs.
this way, it's also probably easier to see that the eye is out of place.

sorry for making this long, but i hope it helps!

See, as for sketching, it's actually rather hard not having a tablet. I do sketch something similar to the top one, though. I've tried sketching like I would on paper and pencil, but I get two entirely different images and cringe. when I draw with paper and pencil, I sketch like the second sketch you provided.
I do try to round the heads and sometimes have a hell of a time with it. When I made this, I did catch something floppy with the eye, but didn't think anything of it. Same with the leg, like it would just blend in. Now that it really IS noticeable, that is something I'll look more at when sketching out what I'm drawing.

This helped out quite a bit, actually. Thank you, Shard! &lt;3

yup
do you have a scanner or camera? you could sketch on paper and copy it onto your drawing program.

I do have a camera. That could work. !

eek someone help me please
it was my first time trying out long-legged mice and droopy ears
i honestly don't know where to put the tail so i left it out



i went over it in MS Paint, but its really bad

give me the worst
though, don't critique the shading. this was an experiment. I just want to know how bad I done with the pose.

Peniriko a dit :

well i need some critique about this one nvn

Spoiler

im so uncomfortable with everything ;;

(also i forgot to draw tail pfft sorry)

i know that i am not good as vulli, but you can try my version too o^o

-you can add some little details if you want the drawing too look like a plushie
-try to play around with different shapes, that may help you to create a nice and relaxed pose
-you can use more curve lines *-*
-the hair always comes from somewhere
*sorry, my english is rlly bad, i hope you understand something*

try as hard as u can