Atelier 801
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 My experience as an Atelier801 staff member |
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Elysium a dit : Yes. |
Gavin
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Tribu  Elysium  « Citoyen » 1596299220000
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Gavin a dit : Further proves my points that you guys are lenient when it comes to friends/staff members from other communities because last I checked, fluency was a must. So, not so sure about "legitimate". Dernière modification le 1596299280000 |
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Elysium a dit : Solly has been in the EN team for months; there has been plenty of opportunity to bring up your concerns in private with any EN Sentinel (even Solly himself). If my answer isn’t adequate, feel free to do that now. |
Lelianna  « Citoyen » 1596300120000
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Melibellule a dit : Hey meli, if a sent removes this it's bullshit, but i wanted to say, nobody deserves what you're going through, this is a rat game for fucks sake, please don't stress yourself out this much, go away for a while, we don't need you 100% this isn't fair to you that you're being ganged by everyone for trying your best, only 2 admins is a hard thing to work with, but it's what you have, so just bring it in a bit, close the computer/device, and go take a breather for a while, this message general made me worry about you, i know i'm a random player, but i do care |
Lelianna +Minstens  « Citoyen » 1596303840000
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a dit : This is completely false. Dead Maze lost popularity when Melibellule was literally away from the final development from the game for his duties about his baby. Why? There was a massive wave of drastic changes that literally made entire masses of players to leave. I remember when they introduced a new way to upgrade your armor stuff based by the free money or fraises. When it was used to be upgraded with specific resources. This update made a lot of important people and probably the people who invested real money to quit the game in the early stages of the game. Probably when the game was about to leave the beta stage. If you do this change when it's going to be released is really normal it doesn't get popular. Then we have the famous dog quests that were announced for months, which at this day are glitched just to keep waiting months for the dog itself and is not what they promised. These reasons and also a famous BoS player sharing cheats that actually filled the game with it. With a forgotten story and you're right about the map editor and expeditions. Everytime I post in the Dead Maze server some images of expeditions they get removed as a leak. When they were footages of alpha-beta stages, the real reason Dead Maze died. Not his insane advertisements because there are other games that have the same initial publicity funding and goes well, because they don't mess with the game before it gets released with shitty updates. Did you know what Tigrounette said about that armor update? "We need to sell some frase guys". That literally made salty the loyal players and force them to quit. Others when they delayed the dog update. At this day some are waiting for new story, new player options tools, the map editor itself, the expeditions. But nothing will go on light since the earlier mistakes. Recently they started to fix some inigial glitches and bugs but yet there are some that have been since alpha or beta and I don't blame those since I was indeed an alpha and beta tester of that game. Actually I have some final content of Dead Maze obtained but is sick that to reach that you need a lot of time or some money. A reason that made me play less the game. a dit : I disagree with this statement exposed here. You can't just drop those games because they are good titles, reworked from Tigrounette's old games Extinction.fr. Some of these have their own communities, probably kinda dead but they exist. None of these are moderated. Do you know why? Because no staff of any community literally tried to hire players to help there and yes the admins never worked for tools also. Is a huge mistake not to do this if you want atleast to keep this game and all of you are responsive. First the players for not trying to save the games they like. Second the staff for not actually thinking about it. And finally the admins for not doing the proper tools. Yet the cafe update is everywhere wich makes no sense for me. I know the fate of Nekodancer, it happened few months ago with music rooms. The thing is admins knew as I that they could create an Electron app or a Nativefier app that just injects this https://www.transformice.com/youtube-tfm.js which was used in the browser pages to play the music. But I don't understand why they didn't do it in first place. There are also players who are willing to create community apps to keep running Nekodancer in desktops with this idea. Leaving the fact that it won't work anymore on browsers is a bad idea. Giving up because outer situations is a signal of a loser, never give up. Even with all exposed they dedice to drop on some games. I had finished buying everything on Fortoresse. This is a progress I don't want to lose. Their games shouldn't have this fate just because they need to keep moving. The fact all these 3 games share the same server means a lot they are tryign to keep them running. Is bad for them taking down these games if is true they get some money for just running them. And remember these different communities out there that have not even time to come here and answe what is happening on their main game Is a true mistake giving up on your older projects when they could save you if your new projects fail. My final opinion is just simple. If Meli and Tig want to keep their games, their communities and all that involves they should start giving a try. But this also the job of all the current staff members. At the same time for the players. This is an everyones work, if something fails evertyhing else will. If everything has to change for the god's sake to not drown then everyone should change. Players complaining and staff complaining and admins complaining won't solve anything. They all should start caring for all games, for the ones that are marked as demo, the ones that should release and one in development. Otherwise the fate is the bankrupt, the end, the bad actors dancing on the graves (yes those private servers, people who develop cheats, the entire enemy market) and I'm sure you guys don't want all that so wake up and start doing your fucking role properly lmao. |
Peanut_butter  « Consul » 1596305100000
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| A little update: I have been reading your comments and while it is impossible to respond to everyone, I will privately message some people to discuss what they asked or pointed out so I can get a better understanding too of some situations and issues raised. Just to make it clear, my intention was never to insult or go against certain people which is why I never named anyone and you shouldn't do that either. I voiced my opinion and experiences only. As staff members told, send a private message to someone to discuss about a specific member's attitude. I have also talked with Meli about this topic. Of course, mental health comes first so I am not urging her to do anything. It was a mistake to only focus on the negatives from my part, there are countless good memories too. We will talk about the issues soon and brainstorm on solving them. |
Ventriloca  « Censeur » 1596306360000
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Gavin a dit : I'm not that active in the forum or anything like that but once in a while I come to check in what's new. Let me tell you my experience about Sollu specifically. First I reported a Sollu post because his english wasn't correct at all - In that same report I even gave some examples on how to better express what he was trying to say so that it would be understandable and not a total mess like it previously was. He followed that report by editing the post and writing exactly what I said he should. What does that even tell us about him being an EN sentinel that is supposed to be fluent in the language? Second and last: I found some proof of his bad english in the forum and discord server - What did I do? I reported it to an EN sentinel (showing them the proof - screenshots) - I got no awnser back. What does that even show? I dont believe it was "legitimate" - At least its not what you're showing right now. |
Bisharch  « Censeur » 1596308040000
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| if youre staff and you have this idea of talking to people like youre looking down on them for having a sanction log, child… i dont even know where to begin. but i DID feel the mistreatment by the staff back when i had a permamute on the forums. |
Sharpmuffinz  « Citoyen » 1596308580000
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Sharpmuffinz a dit : Edit: Also I am not sure if this is related but a few days before I was banned my friend and I joined E N I G M A (Lezzly's tribe) as a joke to our actual tribe because we said E N I G M A had hot players. When we joined we were joking around with the players for a bit before we were kicked when they realized we were just messing around( nothing we did was against the rules, we weren't vulgar or anything). I actually remember seeing blinkero (the leader of E N I G M A) in my Parkour room which I had never seen him there before and I frequently play parkour. But I find it kind of a strange coincidence, and I feel kind of strange if moderators are allowed to use their powers for personal reasons like this with no sort of review. Dernière modification le 1596308640000 |
Rafinha  « Archonte » 1596312360000
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Ventriloca a dit : Well, I'm not even part of the EN community, but I'm always following some discussions that take place on the forums and I’d like to express my opinion about this: I think it is disrespectful that you judge someone for typing something wrongly, it is extremely disrespectful, since we have several linguistic variants and none are wrong. The most important of all is knowing how to communicate and pass on a message that is understandable to others. After all, Solly doesn’t live in a country where English is a native language and isn’t widely used by the population, however, he knows how to communicate very well and whenever I see him on forums or Discord I understand what he means in English. No one is perfect, and if he already tried to improve when you warned it is a good sign that he is open to change, so I believe his writing is not the problem, but maybe a pursuing!? If you don't like a person it is extremely annoying to keep sending free attacks over the internet, as has happened before. As sentinel of the BR community, he did an impeccable job and continues to do in the EN community, and by his own dedication, he managed to join the EN team. Congratulations and keep it up! Dernière modification le 1596315600000 |
| Diadem « Censeur » 1596324420000
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| Removed. Dernière modification le 1596325200000 |
Maleficent  « Citoyen » 1596325500000
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| I was also told by people that staff members are chosen based on how many friends they have on the team... I really hope that's not the case. I personally don't know any of the mods but sent an application in anyway. As a mod, you would obviously trust someone you know over someone you've never heard of before, but you could also spend some time getting to know or at least watching a player who has written a good application. |
Charissa  « Censeur » 1596334200000
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| I don't know how many times we have to shoot down rumors that people are only chosen based off of if we are friends with them or not. When I was hired I knew only one person on the team at the time, but I worked hard on my reporting and having all around good behavior and activity. It's honestly not hard as long as you're a generally good person who is also active enough. Through my times as staff and the application process, my favorite part of it is seeing all the people apply who I didn't know existed until then because it's always nice to find the little diamonds in the rough. While some friends have applied that I knew would do well, I've also had friends apply who I knew wouldn't do well. It's nice to get to know people and get the more 'quiet' players involved with the community or seeing how applicants of the past who may have been denied get accepted in the future as they kept working on themselves. Every single staff member (at least for EN) has their own story on how they've made it to staff, and I can even say that many of us had been denied in the past (myself included, I was denied twice before third time was the charm). Just be genuine, just be kind, and just be active. I cannot emphasize that enough. Dernière modification le 1596335040000 |
Katburger  « Consul » 1596334920000
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a dit : Supermods were 9+ years ago. How old were y'all reading this 9 years ago? Almost none of the those people are still moderators. I was around then, but I wasn't very involved in the friend grouping that happened. Maybe KR didn't have all that drama. If you or anyone else sees this happening now, please gather proof and please tell me or another staff member. I know of ex-mods who were fired for shamaning themselves or queuing maps for cheese. One who was immediately fired for using a hack. Everyone talks about the bad things that happen, but no one cares when things happen as they should. I don't have time or energy to read this entire thread, but if anyone wants to talk one on one or give suggestions, please send a message! Dernière modification le 1596336060000 |
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a dit : a dit : I just read half of the thread and I agree with you in almost all points, especially in those I quoted. I won’t tell too many details about it because I am not here to expose anyone or any team, but I have been experienced with this situation in my own way before and I can confirm it’s a hundred per cent true. There’s an hierarchy in all staff position, the ones in top are usually the oldest ones, even if they aren’t much active anymore their word usually convinces most of the the team regarding users behavior and it significantly affects their application or chance to join the team. And they don’t like to be questioned about how they are acting. Its some kind of the power effect, there’s some pride likes with selfishness involved. And the people that do not belong to the power side has no word, so, it turns into a vicious cycle all the time, where the “top” ones control whatever they want and brainwash the other ones. Favoritism is real, unfortunately, and that’s really sad. I have a lot of staff friends which I won’t tell the name, who were kicked for mediocre reasons and even because of the suspicious word of some other staff member regarding behavior or their attitude. I am happy, by the way, that ex staff members are finally opening the eyes about this big problem that have been happening for years. In my community the same thing is happing as well. When you’re a staff member and you’re not victim of this situation it’s very easy to say there’s no favoritism or brainwashing or related things involved, but if you are a victim, you know exactly what I am talking about. Dernière modification le 1596338160000 |
Rutabega  « Censeur » 1596337920000
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| As a former staff member, I understand that there may be favoritism to some degree (and it happens in life outside of TFM too), but I've not seen it as nearly as blatant and malicious as described in this thread. I honestly believe it's exaggerated. While there are some valid points about communication between admins/staff/community, transparency, etc., I think there are too many incorrect takes on intentional malfeasance by staff members. |
Pastel_apple  « Citoyen » 1596342480000
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| This may just be my personal experience, but anytime I've reported someone nothing has ever happened to them. They never got muted, banned, nothing. And this is racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc, people that I have reported. I've given proof to mods but they always say "Screen shots aren't proof. We don't want to ban someone for something they didn't do." Well you do that any way, and don't let people appeal the ban. Also, just another thing. People keep saying cafe needs to be removed, but that's not even a huge issue. There's bigger problems. But people just keep wanting cafe to be dealt with. |
Miss_quill  « Citoyen » 1596353340000
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| Hi, Like a lot of you, it's my first message here for a long time and probably my last one. I have never been part of the staff, but I had the opportunity to help the admins alongside the staff, as a LUA Team member and as a Dead Maze helper. That was a great experience. For a while, I chatted everyday with Pikashu, Meli, Adra or Streaxx. But I decided to leave the community because I couldn't stand anymore the behavior of some people from the staff, who wanted to drag the community down to make themselves higher than the others. This is why according to my experience here, I can easily agree with Peanut, Bolodef and Ediz. I know Meli and Tig give the best of themselves, despite of their personal issues. They are totally dedicated to their company and I commend them for that. But this is not enough to succeed. We know that the world of PC-games is changing fast and it's not easy for a little french studio to follow the trends. Regarding the staff, they are trying obviously to do the best too, but they are for the most of them, still childish. The messages they send and the sanctions they give, aren't benevolent, we can feel the venom behind each word. Dealing with players dehumanizes them. In my opinion, the staff shouldn't represent so much problems for the admins... But I never didn't get the point. Is the staff that has a lack af autonomy or is it the admins that don't want to trust them? Animj, |
Barberserk  « Consul » 1596357240000
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| Can people defending favoritism stop? What do you mean it's ok because it happens in real life? Murders happen in real life too, should we introduce them in TFM? What nonsense line of defense is this? Yes, I know, in many countries this is the absolute rule, you need connections to get a job, to get into a post-graduate program, to do anything really. That's corruption. Do we really need this level of corruption in TFM? This seriously drives players off the game, when they find in front of them a family/friends wall at every corner, and they start feeling like a second-class citizen/player. It's simply unfair. Dernière modification le 1596357300000 |
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| This is never gonna turn into anything other than a he said-she said situation because relevant information from the staff side cannot be fully disclosed due to privacy reasons. Choose yourselves who you want to believe, but don’t accuse the staff of not caring. I can’t speak for other communities, we all do some things differently for cultural reasons. But I can say that the EN mod team is trying their absolute hardest to improve their relationship with the regular player base, as seen with the feedback thread at the start of the year. Sadly this thread ended up being taken over by people who just saw it as another opportunity to blindly complain about non-existent issues (some of you did bring up real issues and these have been worked on, as seen throughout the entire year), this response from the players makes it incredibly difficult to improve. About favouritism, all I can say that hasn’t already been said, is the team has friends apply every time applications are opened, and only a small minority are actually hired. We obviously share our input when we know someone personally, but try to abstain from voting if this is the case. Myself I only used to vote no on friends I knew wouldn’t fit, and abstained when there was a chance my personal bias could become an issue, something which is probably true for a lot of mods. There has been many issues surrounding the EN team like any other, and this is why the applications are taken very seriously, to avoid more instances of mods suddenly showing another side to themselves after being hired. Again, there is no reason for you to believe me over anyone else, but you have no idea how much a little bit of faith helps the staff team. They can’t give you all the facts, but still ask for your support in doing what they signed up for: helping the game. And I can also say that I used to complain a lot about mods after I got a mute for spam way back when, and got wrongly banned for hacking several times and I wasn’t particularly nice over that either. I still don’t understand how I got hired in the first place (I knew 2 out of maybe 30 mods, favouritism can hardly be the reason), I would’ve voted no on me, but they gave me a chance and I’m happy they did. I got a new perspective, and from my experience they’ve only gotten better. Dernière modification le 1596360540000 |
