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I have been in charge of the racing rotation since it was an unofficial minigame with Holzinator. When "high perm" maps were first created, the quality of submitted maps sharply declined. After this, to many players, a perm map became a "prize." They didn't only make maps when they had good ideas - many players started making maps every day just hoping that one of them will become perm. It's fine to be proud of the fact that a map of yours is good enough for high perm, but if that's the only reason why you make maps, your maps will always suck. The other thing is, before "P17," only racing players made racing maps. Now, non-racers submit racing maps try to get a perm. Again, if you make maps for a minigame that you don't play, your maps will probably suck.

I personally have not seen a good map in the racing submission thread in at least 2 years. I was going to just lock the racing submission thread and stop accepting new maps, but the last few months, Leetinsanity and a couple of secret Map Crew have been checking the thread. I just oversee the results. After posting this, I am going to do the reviews myself again so I can see if map quality has improved and give feedback.

I'm going to tell you what you can do to be more likely to get a P17. If you are the type of mapmaker that only cares about perms and will be sad or angry if your maps aren't chosen, or if you don't play in racing rooms, please do not waste my time and yours. I tried in vain to improve map quality when it got worse, but it did not help, so I stopped wasting my time. I am here to try again.

I hate the following things the most in the following order:

• Invisible walls or roofs: Imagine having an invisible ground in the middle of the map you can't see but will stop your momentum. It almost is that bad.
• Too many obstacles on the map. For some reason, mapmakers nowadays seem to think you need to cover every inch of every map with obstacles. This makes all maps turn into mazes. In every one of them you go down a narrow passage way, getting past 15 different obstacles and ending. You end up finishing the map the same way every time, and there are no shortcuts.
• Too much alignment When everything is perfectly aligned, maps in a game like racing are boring. It limits the possibilities. Some obstacles only become possible with bad alignment, like wj'ing up a ground where part of it is misaligned by a few pixels. If all the grounds on all of your maps are either 90º or 45º angles, your map is boring.
• Too much time difference between the shortcut and the slow path If the shortcut completes the map in 5 seconds but the slow way takes 60 seconds, everyone is going to fail the shortcut and try it again forever. Nobody is ever going to use the slow way. The short cut should give you JUST ENOUGH of an advantage so that you win. It's also ok if it's just very unlikely so that the shortcut is not able to be retried, but missing it means being forced into a slow way, and the shortcut is so unlikely there is only one players who can do it every few times.
• Those circle ice things. Minor complaint, it's not a big deal if you use these... but I don't like them in racing maps.

Other stuff

• Yes, the best racing maps have shortcuts... but not artificial shortcuts. To quote myself: "A lot of the fun in racing is finding shortcuts that weren't created intentionally by the mapmaker. Don't overdo it when testing your map to make sure the mice take the route that you've chosen."
• Overhangs are ok, but don't use them too often or they become annoying
• Upwards inverted choco wj is ok too, just don't do it too much
• The P17 rules are not 100% strict. Maps should not be banned for any specific feature. If a map is fun, it should be played. The rules are there because 99% of racing maps with "forbidden features" suck so I don't want players to submit them. There exists two exception to the rules in racing: a Nyoibou map with a mechanism (treadmill) and an Xorcist map with defilante tokens. The latter map was not even designed for racing, but I thought it made for a perfect racing map.
• Ca="" sucks, not just in racing maps but all categories, unless absolutely necessary. Use background color (#6A7495) colored grounds instead.
• Some players have told me that they don't like my reviews because I never like their maps. The problem is that these players make the same kind of maps every time. There is one player that used to ask me for feedback on his racing maps. I'd tell him "Your maps are way too linear." "Ok." The next day, he would send me another very linear map. This was many years ago, and that player is still making linear maps. If I don't like your maps, it's for a reason. Make something different.

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If you need an example of these things I'm talking about, look at this. A player just sent me this map asking for feedback:


You can jump into the bottom of the water and gain momentum to jump up to the corner of the ice, then carefully jump up and over the right side of the ice. Shortcuts like this are what racing is about. This is a shortcut that the mapmaker didn't intend to make and it's only possible because the alignment is not perfect. Beautiful.

My fault, I stopped making racing maps, because of this you did not find any good map :D

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Souris_fram a dit :

Cadê br?

Vou criar um tópico no forum BR em breve, nob.

My Portuguese is pretty pro but not pro enough to translate a large thread like this. I will post a topic in the BR Map Editor section soon. For now, read this thread in English.

I agree with you, Barry. I've been playing racing since Holzinator times, and I always had in mind that a map shouldn't be cool just for the evaluator or the creator, but for those who are there in racing playing every day. I particularly, always try to innovate the concepts and shortcuts in the racings maps, I try to change design, style and so on.

Not everyone likes to be a mazerunner, and that complicates the lives of many mapmakers, as they always try to do of everything a little, leaving the map really like a maze and making the people runners of it.

I always try to leave in the map a way to leave shortcuts really fun, because I know they make a big difference for the more experienced players, who deserve an extra advantage.

Shortcuts that are invented by own players, unintentional of the creator are fantastic too, I even made a racing map that had an incredibly cool shortcut that I didn't know of the existence of the same, and the map became P17 for a period of time.

What I want to say here is that a player who wants P17 at the same time, will be very difficult to achieve, because to know what pleases the racing players, you have to experiment this experience by yourself.

Thank you,barry allen now i can improve my p17 maps :D

barry é nob

Um nice, this helps!

Alright, thank you!!

Barrydarsow a dit :

Now, non-racers submit racing maps try to get a perm. Again, if you make maps for a minigame that you don't play, your maps will probably suck.

Also, personally, I actually ended trying up making racing maps after beginning to play the minigame, not the other way around. I don't play racing that often anymore, but I think I understand how it works and what would make a good map.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

Good topic. I'm able to make a map now.

Barry = nob
He add all bad maps to the racing !
P17'ed:
@7011771, @7015441, @7021812, @7021800, @5541145, @6835194, @6800926, @7014142, @4278254, @1867520, @7015533, @3877599, @630046, @6971641, @6956137, @7007413, @7025409, @7026694, @6186416

All the maps is bad for racing !

Very helpful thread!

Clackprooo a dit :

Barry = nob
He add all bad maps to the racing !
P17'ed:
@7011771, @7015441, @7021812, @7021800, @5541145, @6835194, @6800926, @7014142, @4278254, @1867520, @7015533, @3877599, @630046, @6971641, @6956137, @7007413, @7025409, @7026694, @6186416

All the maps is bad for racing !

You do not have the authority or the ability to judge whether or not maps should be in racing rooms, if your map is not on the list I recommend you read this topic again

Jotatavo a dit :

Clackprooo a dit :VoirMasquer

Barry = nob
He add all bad maps to the racing !
P17'ed:
@7011771, @7015441, @7021812, @7021800, @5541145, @6835194, @6800926, @7014142, @4278254, @1867520, @7015533, @3877599, @630046, @6971641, @6956137, @7007413, @7025409, @7026694, @6186416

All the maps is bad for racing !

You do not have the authority or the ability to judge whether or not maps should be in racing rooms, if your map is not on the list I recommend you read this topic again

He can have an opinion

Mquk a dit :

Jotatavo a dit :VoirMasquer

Clackprooo a dit :VoirMasquer

Barry = nob
He add all bad maps to the racing !
P17'ed:
@7011771, @7015441, @7021812, @7021800, @5541145, @6835194, @6800926, @7014142, @4278254, @1867520, @7015533, @3877599, @630046, @6971641, @6956137, @7007413, @7025409, @7026694, @6186416

All the maps is bad for racing !

You do not have the authority or the ability to judge whether or not maps should be in racing rooms, if your map is not on the list I recommend you read this topic again

He can have an opinion

When I Said my opinion I use: "I think", "In my opinion"

Jotatavo a dit :

Clackprooo a dit :VoirMasquer

Barry = nob
He add all bad maps to the racing !
P17'ed:
@7011771, @7015441, @7021812, @7021800, @5541145, @6835194, @6800926, @7014142, @4278254, @1867520, @7015533, @3877599, @630046, @6971641, @6956137, @7007413, @7025409, @7026694, @6186416

All the maps is bad for racing !

You do not have the authority or the ability to judge whether or not maps should be in racing rooms, if your map is not on the list I recommend you read this topic again

Everyone has the right to their opinion and feedback is always looked at. It isn't always followed, but it is seen.

This will help a lot. Thanks!

Barry : There is one player that used to ask me for feedback on his racing maps. I'd tell him "Your maps are way too linear." "Ok." The next day, he would send me another very linear map. This was many years ago, and that player is still making linear maps. If I don't like your maps, it's for a reason. Make something different.

THIS MESSAGE WAS FOR ME NO ? xd