Weapon Info

Thanks Tig! :)

Updated wiki with some of the stats and statistics (as well as those by Solfn). Currently leaving the firing rates with decimals alone. It may just be his stats don't reflect the live game though?

Also, do either of you find the DPSs a bit odd? Ex: the MP5 has a short DPS of 32.20, with each shot giving to dmg, insinuating a Firing rate of 15.6 shots / second... right? And this seems quite off. Again it might not be reflecting stats in the live game, but...

#182

Good point with that MP5. It's definitely near the top, but it can't be that high. There seems to be several mistakes in Tig's data. Then again, I also had a list of the data I obtained with the wiki's information, if you want me to redo that for you.

EDIT: GOOD THING I MADE A CHART ALREADY FROM YOUR INFO!! You changed it all, and it might have more mistakes.

Here is the entire thing. You might want to view the full image here if this image has been shrunk too much.

Differences:
- Tig's data underestimates the Desert Eagle.
- The P90 is no longer one of the top 3 long distance long term dps weapon 1s.
- The G36C's long range ability is overestimated in Tig's data. The M4 A1 was moved into its place.

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#183

Thanks for the side-by-side comparison :)

Also, encase you didn't know, if you ever want to see previous data on a wiki, just go to the page's history (on a Wikia wiki, hit down arrow next to the edit button, hit history, and click then date you wish to view).

#184

Oops, I made a mistake in my image. I will fix it again ^^'
Tig got the MP5 wrong and also the M40 A5. M40 has 8 ammo in his data, and the MP5 had 27.5 ammo.
EDIT: All fixed.

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#185

Fewfre, have a look and ignore the cells highlighted in green cos they might have been changed manually by Tig.

#186

I'm not really sure how you're wanting to calculate all this stuff and I really don't want to come into it (you guys are already doing a great job) but am I the only one that see's the M40 has 8 ammo per clip? I'm not really sure how people are coming up with 7 unless I'm missing something here and if I am I'm sorry (my bad).

Just kind of wanted to point it out, was kind of confused about it and just seeking an answer !

#187

Shadowwinter a dit :
I'm not really sure how you're wanting to calculate all this stuff and I really don't want to come into it (you guys are already doing a great job) but am I the only one that see's the M40 has 8 ammo per clip? I'm not really sure how people are coming up with 7 unless I'm missing something here and if I am I'm sorry (my bad).

Just kind of wanted to point it out, was kind of confused about it and just seeking an answer !

Why, so it does! I'm not pro enough to use the sniper so I didn't know. Thanks for the update :) And never assume I know what I'm talking about ^.^; that;s why I like wikis, people can correct my mistakes. On a side note, any clue what version updated that?

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#188

I have no idea what version updated it ! It feels like it's always been that way to be honest though I'd imagine it was either this update or the last because there has been a lot of buffs and nerfs in the past for the weapon itself. Only recently it seems to have settled down.

And psh, I'm sure you'd do fine as a sniper ! It just takes a little time, patience and practice to adjust to the play-style.

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#189

Pat-ience? What's that? I'm a Famas user if that's what your asking =p Don't got no time for no patience! (really my reflexes just aren't fast enough to make it worthwhile)

I'm guessing it was V1.24 that changed it, so adding it to the changelog. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

#190

The Famas can be a lot of fun and I usually enjoy the game immensely when I decide to use an M4A1 because I can be more up in people's faces than I am with an M40. I'm curious as to why you choose the Famas over other fast firing primaries though, I find it very interesting when I see a user using something out of the ordinary because you don't see much variety too often other then "the best".

This might be going a bit off-topic but eh, I think it'd still be pretty cool to see some gun reviews from multiple people. Kind of like a survey just as additional information to help users really decide if this is the weapon for them because stats can sometimes be misleading.

Edit: Also am I the only one that thinks the AUG should probably be nerfed to have a slower fire rate then it already does?

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#191

I also feel the Aug is a little fast.

I've thought about switching weapons (been considering the MP5), but I have stuck with the famas because, frankly, I'm a conj w****. It has a decent magazine, speed, and precision, allowing me to put up conj for protection, then have enough ammo / speed to fire through my conj AND overcome the conj placing speed of my opponent. It also works fairly well in a 1 on 1 stand-off. I originally bought the AK 47 and while I liked it, a fast gun with good aim and decent ammo count was important for me.

I've been considering the P90, but the precision is a bit to low for my taste, and on a stand-off it doesn't hold to well... but I've been meaning to give it an honest try, since i usually move / conj a lot when shooting, versus a straight stand-off.

Also, if you want to hear people's weapons reviews, maybe start a thread? :)

#192

Shadowwinter a dit :
I'm not really sure how you're wanting to calculate all this stuff and I really don't want to come into it (you guys are already doing a great job) but am I the only one that see's the M40 has 8 ammo per clip? I'm not really sure how people are coming up with 7 unless I'm missing something here and if I am I'm sorry (my bad).

Just kind of wanted to point it out, was kind of confused about it and just seeking an answer !

So it is 8? Odd. There was also a mistake with the clip of the mp5 (it showed 27.5 ammunition which was obviously fishy)
There's nothing wrong with the aug imo. It was meant to be a great distance weapon, as shown in the data. Imo, I would class it as the second best camper weapon behind the m40 a5. It's extremely dangerous to get in the direct line of fire of an aug. To defeat one, you'll have to wear out their ammo and exploit their moderately long reload times, or just block or hide behind obstacles, because the aug doesn't fire fast enough to get through conj easily.

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#193

For how much damage the weapon does per bullet it can really pepper you down in such a short time if you're not careful or caught off guard. The weapon itself is countered by conjuration but without it, it's more deadly then the M40 in terms of having a continuous fire-rate and not having to back off as often due it's different play-style.

All I'm really suggesting is a tiny nerf to it's fire-rate or at least a tiny one towards it's damage (maybe make it do 3.5 instead of 4.5) because as it stands it feels like it can do a little too much in too little time.

Fewfre a dit :
Also, if you want to hear people's weapons reviews, maybe start a thread? :)

I haven't made a (public) thread in so long it'd probably be really bad haha.

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#194

I want the aug damage lowered, It goes up to 4 damage already and its automatic.

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#195

If you dropped the steyr's damage, people would stop using it and it would just become another ak-47.

#196

In a 2-D game like this there isn't much variety to start with since the weapons don't have very many variables besides damage, fire-rate, clip-size/max clips, view range and how far a bullet can travel. I can imagine maybe a few unique twists on weapons involving view-range and travel-distance but at the same time there'd be balancing issues and it'd only go so far once again.

And to be honest I haven't seen anyone using an AK since the Aug came out.

#197

There was actually one detail I forgot to compare with the guns. The time to kill actually differs between guns with the same damage per second, either because of clip or because of damage per shot, and rate.

So whaddya know, even though the ump-45 convinces us that it's supposed to be the best, it's actually the second worst.

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#198

solfn a dit :
There was actually one detail I forgot to compare with the guns. The time to kill actually differs between guns with the same damage per second, either because of clip or because of damage per shot, and rate.

So whaddya know, even though the ump-45 convinces us that it's supposed to be the best, it's actually the second worst.

I forgot to not include the time the first shot makes when I did this on the wiki, updating now :) (I also forgot to find the number of shots it takes rounded up >.< Don't let me do math =p)

Question though; I was trying to recreate your formula, and unless I'm mistaken when you add the reload (when applicable), you don't subtract the time the 1st bullet in a shot takes again. Since you can fire as soon as the reload is complete, shouldn't "Reload+1 Bullet" be add to the time, not just reload? (Again, my math skills aren't super awesome, so let me know if I'm wrong).

Edit: The current formula I'm using is (in JavaScript): [link]
var hits = Math.ceil(40.0 / dmg);
var val = (hits - 1) * (1 / rate)
if(reload) val += reload - (1 / rate);

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#199

New values :

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| CARABINE_M4
D:2.0 / C:100 / R:3.0 / P:10
DPS : 20.0
DPC : 60.0
DPM : 600.0
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| MP5
D:2.6 / C:80 / R:2.0 / P:30
DPS : 32.5
DPC : 57.2
DPM : 912.7
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| FUSIL_POMPE
D:3.8 / C:400 / R:3.0 / P:100
DPS : 38.0
DPC : 91.19999999999999
DPM : 1013.3
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| AK_47
D:3.0 / C:175 / R:3.0 / P:15
DPS : 17.1
DPC : 93.0
DPM : 662.3
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| FAMAS
D:1.7 / C:80 / R:2.5 / P:10
DPS : 21.2
DPC : 51.0
DPM : 624.4
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| M40A5
D:17.0 / C:1600 / R:3.2 / P:0
DPS : 10.6
DPC : 119.0
DPM : 495.8
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| G36C
D:2.2 / C:90 / R:2.5 / P:20
DPS : 24.4
DPC : 55.00000000000001
DPM : 694.7
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| AN94
D:2.5 / C:130 / R:2.5 / P:5
DPS : 19.2
DPC : 50.0
DPM : 588.2
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| M60
D:2.0 / C:100 / R:5.0 / P:30
DPS : 20.0
DPC : 180.0
DPM : 771.4
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| UMP45
D:2.0 / C:70 / R:1.0 / P:20
DPS : 28.5
DPC : 36.0
DPM : 955.7
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| STEYR_AUG
D:4.0 / C:220 / R:3.0 / P:10
DPS : 18.1
DPC : 80.0
DPM : 648.6
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| P90
D:1.6 / C:80 / R:2.0 / P:20
DPS : 20.0
DPC : 80.0
DPM : 800.0
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| BERETTA
D:2.0 / C:150 / R:1.0 / P:3
DPS : 13.3
DPC : 34.0
DPM : 574.6
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| MAGNUM
D:9.0 / C:500 / R:4.0 / P:10
DPS : 18.0
DPC : 54.0
DPM : 462.8
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| DESERT_EAGLE
D:5.0 / C:300 / R:2.0 / P:5
DPS : 16.6
DPC : 45.0
DPM : 574.4
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| UZI
D:1.0 / C:70 / R:1.5 / P:20
DPS : 14.2
DPC : 35.0
DPM : 531.6
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| GLOCK_18
D:3.0 / C:200 / R:1.0 / P:3
DPS : 15.0
DPC : 33.0
DPM : 618.7
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| MP412_REX
D:6.0 / C:400 / R:3.0 / P:10
DPS : 15.0
DPC : 72.0
DPM : 553.8

#200

Thanks Tig! And thanks for including damages in there as well :)

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