For me, I would say they all have good functions. I personally like the Ak-47 and the sniper rifle. I wish there was descriptions on each gun's statistics and functionalities. :)

the one you get when you join. other than not much ammo, it's gr8.

i have a love for steyr aug ever since it was launched.

The Steyr Aug sucks in shielded firefights, one can laugh forever behind his shield as the gunner is trying to hit him.

The M40 A5 is kinda opportunist, with those powerful shots, not the Steyr Aug.

No best gun out there (SPAS 12 alone sucks at fighting turtling players) but not useful everywhere that steyr...

M40 A5 is the best for me

M40 A5 is the most exploitable one, so, right now, it is indeed the "best", outexploiting the under-1-second-killer A.K.A. Spas 12.

M40 A5 fail against turtling, have trouble in conj filled areas and shielded firefights... indeed, not the best and not the most useful weapon in the game.

Even agressive snipers/SPAS bombers struggle against heavy turtling (even more with C4 in the defense) and they are supposed to be number 2 and 1, lol...

If it's exploitable like the one that work on a lot of situations it's not, M4 and Famas deserve that title.

+Supergrunt a dit :

M40 A5 fail against turtling, have trouble in conj filled areas and shielded firefights... indeed, not the best and not the most useful weapon in the game.

Even agressive snipers/SPAS bombers struggle against heavy turtling (even more with C4 in the defense) and they are supposed to be number 2 and 1, lol...

If it's exploitable like the one that work on a lot of situations it's not, M4 and Famas deserve that title.

With Exploits I'm saying about a lot of stuff in general. The real problem here is that the ping in this game is a real pain in the ass. The "shooting through walls" thing because of the 1-bullet-17-damage stat that the M40A5 has can be a real pain if you're just trying to move by the map and there's 1 lagger in the enemy team. Not even a "real lagger" is needed, more than 400 ping difference between you , the server and the enemy can be enough to screw you up.

And why I don't bring Spas to this "level"? I mean, Spas can't shoot'n'run from long ranges so far (By what I know), and, if you do that, it'll be from almost no use to absolutely useless.

Turtling players are just a "cancer" that you can't counter without using something as bad as turtling. In this game I've had lots of problems in my past with campers in general, both because of the lag issues (Normally I played with 200~250 ping, as much as the enemies play with), and pretty normally I build a shield and people could shoot through it at least 1 bullet before the server actually records it. The fact that everyone plays with a considerable ping in this game is a pain in the ass for any player, and the gun that can exploit it the most is the Sniper.

And whoever thinks that Spas12 exploits lag more than any other weapon, I can deny that, faithfully. I mean, depends if your spas enemy has a brain or not. Your only problem starts when the enemy can't think straight and rushes you, even if it means killing you and staying with 1 hp.

I don't see Autos as a "workable thing" in this game, with "moving" being a quite needed thing in this stage, where you have people that can shoot you through walls due to lag and people that can bug about 2 pixels far from you and kill you in under a second.

a dit :

Turtling is a gameplay strategy that emphasizes heavy defense, with little or no offense. Ostensibly, turtling minimizes risk to the turtling player while baiting opponents to take risks in trying to overcome the defenses.

I enjoy heavy turtling but I don't do that just for the sake of the move, I go ahead and ambush players like you then retreat when it's getting too hot, I avoid open spaces.

It's a late game move when no team have the upper hand for me (or if my team is losing) , of course it's a domination thing.

Actually the SPAS's pellets have a fair chance to hit you at long range but it's mostly bad on domination.

Bad SPAS are bad, they aren't dangerous if they only move straight it's made to be shot down by any attack, SPAS 12 isn't made for that anyway.

+Supergrunt a dit :

a dit :VoirMasquer

Turtling is a gameplay strategy that emphasizes heavy defense, with little or no offense. Ostensibly, turtling minimizes risk to the turtling player while baiting opponents to take risks in trying to overcome the defenses.

I enjoy heavy turtling but I don't do that just for the sake of the move, I go ahead and ambush players like you then retreat when it's getting too hot, I avoid open spaces.

It's a late game move when no team have the upper hand for me (or if my team is losing) , of course it's a domination thing.

Actually the SPAS's pellets have a fair chance to hit you at long range but it's mostly bad on domination.

Bad SPAS are bad, they aren't dangerous if they only move straight it's made to be shot down by any attack, SPAS 12 isn't made for that anyway.

Spoiler

True cancers are people camping right at the beginning when both teams have the same number of players or, simply more (nonsense) .

You didn't get my point, or I didn't explain the right way. The bad spas players are the one who just bug everywhere, thinking that bugging is the only solution to any strat other than bugging (You see bugger battles sometimes, stuff just go insane). Good Spas players actually have the mentality to create strategies when it's needed, and know that Bugging is a weakness that they can exploit only when needed, and those who think this way are the ones who will actually outpower the Bad Spas players, that just bug everywhere. See what I mean?

Autos can be quite useable if you also use a high damage pistol to replicate a slightly lesser sniper, and autos can be abused just as much as other guns with the right tactics

Zarphis a dit :

You didn't get my point, or I didn't explain the right way. The bad spas players are the one who just bug everywhere, thinking that bugging is the only solution to any strat other than bugging (You see bugger battles sometimes, stuff just go insane). Good Spas players actually have the mentality to create strategies when it's needed, and know that Bugging is a weakness that they can exploit only when needed, and those who think this way are the ones who will actually outpower the Bad Spas players, that just bug everywhere. See what I mean?

Those are agressive spas, they have trouble with turtling if you are ready, bad spas don't have any tactics.

Turtling isn't really camping in a single spot, it could be a small part of the map that help you, the middle of digglet tunnels (not underground the top) is good against your glitchers, you take control of the entire piece of land and fill the ceiling with conj, but you let enough space for you to move and retreat just in case.

UMP benefit a lot from this if the glitcher manage to get close but stuck in the conj otherwise try to have more space between you two, trying to glitch near the ceiling is playing russian roulette just remember.

It's a weakness when you aren't expecting that, on the submarine map it's absolute suicide for the glitcher if the enemy expect glitching and use C4 + conj, the guy that could really cause trouble during the real encounter died before that encounter.

Turtling + C4 is the way to go, open spaces are another... and good spas can't beat turtling alone it's simple, they are supposed to get close but the turtling player will just retreat into the shell and counterattack.

Thesnailgary a dit :

Autos can be quite useable if you also use a high damage pistol to replicate a slightly lesser sniper, and autos can be abused just as much as other guns with the right tactics

I always use the beretta 9mm as secondary, very good to spam a single spot when the UMP is no longer effective or when I just want to spam the other guy and keep a clip or 2, it's still more accurate than a M4 A1 anyway.

None. I forgot when i play but the best gun i held is sniper

Thesnailgary a dit :

in my opinion, best gun for all situations is M4A1. Accurate, high enough DPS, good reload. Good at long range and at short range

I agree, i bought a spas 12 but to this day i still use my M4A1 quite frequently!

Rinithekitty a dit :

i have a love for steyr aug ever since it was launched.

This. I agree that the best arm is the spas 12, but if you know how to use it.

Unfortunately, the automatic guns mentioned above are not adequate. Players might say that the M4 A1 has enough DPS, but anyone could pick up a spas and rush in and beat it with no effort whatsoever. Balancing fixes should be introduced to make this a more skill based matchup.

The final conclusion I've come to this is that the spas 12 is the best gun. Not because it is overpowered; it is because it is the only truly properly balanced gun in this game. Its pacing (at least up close -- the spammability from long range is horrible) is perfect for an objective-based shooter. With the objective-based gameplay and the conj spam slowing the entire game down, having players that die too slowly means that they can just charge into the objective forever and keep protecting it and nothing ever gets done (there is also no real punishment for doing so because there isn't enough risk since the guns are too weak). Having tiny objective sizes also mean that the spas 12 is always perfect because players are forced to get up close, which is really shitty, but there can be fixes made to improve it, such as increasing the size of the objective and thus the map size.

I wish that they would make all the guns excluding the m40 and the spas have about 50% or more of the rate of damage they produce right now, so the m4 does between 3 and 4 damage a shot instead of 2. Else lower player max HP to 25 and nerf the spas and m40 and we will also get a health perk buff as a result. The game is way too slow and spas 12 is the only gun that has the correct pacing, so the other guns can't keep up. Players with spas can just run in against anyone with any other gun and always win because the other guns are too slow. The game needs to keep a very good balance in its speed. Fortoresse is way too slow in pacing (so fast guns work better in the hands of players with great ping), whereas something like vertex.io is too fast (only players with good ping will excel because the hunter's rifle is a one-shot kill).

Fort also needs to get rid of the objective design that forces close-range combat and make them slightly bigger and get rid of the conj spam, because the spas always excels in situations like these and only glitchers will get "consistent" results.
Also there needs to be damage falloff implemented heavily on the spas which has the lowest accuracy, and perhaps less heavily on accurate rifles. It's really shitty to have a spas outdamage the m4 a1 when someone spams it at you from long range and the bullets all hit you through luck.


SUMMARY
- Spas 12 is the best gun, because it is paced perfectly. Other guns are too weak
- Spas could be seen as op because the cramped design of objectives is favorable for spas users
- The truth is that the gun doesn't have a fair counter except a turtling style or itself. A balanced gun shouldn't only have itself as a counter
- A801 should increase the DPS of all other guns, or reduce player max HP and nerf the spas/m40 to make the game fast
- A801 should increase objective/map size, and handle conj spam to make the environment fairer for other guns
- A801 could also implement damage falloff and head hitboxes to reward skill and positioning

After All spass is a bit 2 popular but it would be better to c more guns than seeing an entire team with spass chasing u.

To me i like The Spas you need a technique like glitching through walls..
And Snipers too
Cause it has long range ^_^

spas / snipe