The Sniper had to be nerfed, it only took 3 shots to wipe out someone with full health. It's not fun dealing with someone who has a sniper and goes to the weak people first so they can get easy kills. The slowness of it had to be there or else it'd outrun everyone and then Fortoresse wouldn't be as fun. This way it's more like a glass cannon.
Dunno how much damage it does now but if it stayed in the range of decent-pretty nice it would be okay.

I disagree with the famas accuracy. From how much I've tried it, seems like it's almost as accurate as a sniper rifle - I'd say it's high not medium accuracy.

Pwnetsu a dit :

The Sniper had to be nerfed, it only took 3 shots to wipe out someone with full health. It's not fun dealing with someone who has a sniper and goes to the weak people first so they can get easy kills. The slowness of it had to be there or else it'd outrun everyone and then Fortoresse wouldn't be as fun. This way it's more like a glass cannon.
Dunno how much damage it does now but if it stayed in the range of decent-pretty nice it would be okay.

From experience, it still does the same amount of health decrease. Honestly, this weapon would be better off staying a bit higher than 150, but don't call me a hypocrite just yet. I'm saying I really didn't know until I bought it, blindly. But really the only positive thing about it is it dishes out a fair amount of damage.

Wingedmousie a dit :

From experience, it still does the same amount of health decrease. Honestly, this weapon would be better off staying a bit higher than 150, but don't call me a hypocrite just yet. I'm saying I really didn't know until I bought it, blindly. But really the only positive thing about it is it dishes out a fair amount of damage.

Never got the Sniper, I got the AK-47 instead. It's pretty good so far.
I never tried the Sniper but it seems pretty cool (even though its horrible unless if you have a backup defense weapon, like Desert Eagle)

as someone that did really well with the sniper, i agree that it was incredibly overpowered. a bit disappointed about the clipsize change, but when it did 25 damage, you could kill anyone (except maybe another sniper) faster than they could kill you by shooting them once, and then unloading an entire pistol clip into them.

no, you did not need the desert eagle to do well.

Shadowwinter a dit :

The M40's nerf was pretty unnecessary and kind of ruined the potential of the gun. In my opinion it would have been better if they lowered one thing but upped another to make it bearable.

- Changing the ammo to 7, but increasing the damage to 20/15 ducking.
- Keeping the damage at 15, but having 10 ammo and increasing fire-rate.
- Bringing back the 25 damage/20 ducking, but leave the ammo at 5.

Any of these things would have balanced the weapon in my opinion. I can't see myself (or anyone) using the M40 anymore because now you're just putting yourself at so much of a disadvantage that you're probably gonna have no potential for the team you're playing for.

Quoting a post from else where and pasting it here because of the discussion about the M40 nerf.

I think the damage is fine, but I'd prefer them to at least do the second option and maybe make it so 1 bullet can go through two players and at least make it so 15 (10 if penetration through a player) is a set damage for both standing and ducking.

As it is I wouldn't call this weapon a "Sniper", I'd call it a marksman riffle. Hopefully they change it to be a bit more of a Semi-Sniper so it can at least have some potential.

i dont know if it was changed since i was mowing down everything before the nerf but the range on the shots are just about as long as other rifles, it's not much of a sniper like that, but moreso a 'use someone else as a bodybag while you steal their kills' now

i mean you still did that with 25 dmg but it went both ways kinda

i don't want to see piercing; to clear out clumps of people i'd prefer like a grenade or a landmine or something as a third slot. maybe have like a health kit or something in that slot as well so you'd have to choose

Increased range would be nice and would really help the weapon just a bit with where it's at right now. Still what's a sniper riffle without collateral damage? With all it's other downsides at the moment (Lack of range, bullets can be countered by 1 pixel, slow fire rate, low ammo, etc) the gun could really use something unique since you can only fire /one/ bullet at a time.

bullets being blockable by one tile is a good thing; this is a team game, not call of duty solo everything with 50 killstreaks or w/e you're imagining it to be

aside from the range which i brought up too, the only other thing i kind of agree with you there is the low magazine, but since reserve ammo is not an issue, i really don't

if the vertical range was increased both ways, then the current range would be fine. as it is, the only way to really get good shots off is to stand right in the midst of gunfire.

Suwako a dit :

bullets being blockable by one tile is a good thing

I never really said it was a bad thing, but the majority of this game consists of tunneling through enemy defenses and killing the enemy to even come close to capturing/defending the flags. The M40 can't tunnel but it was good versus infantry which is where it's potential came from.

Suwako a dit :

this is a team game, not call of duty solo everything with 50 killstreaks or w/e you're imagining it to be

This is a team game, never once did I say it wasn't. If you look at most of the guns each one has it's own strengths and weaknesses which can play a role in the team.

-M4A1: Balanced versus everything.
Cons: Moderate accuracy, not always good versus defenses.
Great survivability.

-MP5: Amazing at tunneling and good shooting through holes in the enemy's defenses.
Cons: Low ammo and damage.
Okay survivability.

-AK47: Good versus infantry, balanced versus everything else.
Cons: Moderate accuracy and speed, not always good versus defenses.
Great survivability.

-Famas: Best for tunneling, amazing acrruacy and good for shooting through holes in enemy defenses.
Cons: Low damage and moderate versus infantry.
Good survivability.

-M40: Good versus infantry, amazing accuracy and good for shooting through holes in enemy defenses.
Cons: Low ammo, slow fire-rate, moderate damage for it's class, can't tunnel.
Lowest survivability.


The M40 is pretty much useless compared to all the other guns and has very low survivability to the point you'll be spending most of your time respawning rather then helping your team with killing and defending. As I've said before it can't tunnel and it's role in my opinion was pure slaying more then anything but as it is it's nearly impossible to use without extra range or a higher fire-rate with maybe 7 ammo which is ideal for a sniper in my opinion.

I don't know where you got the impression that I thought the game should be "CoD solo everything blahblah bullshit" but excuse you. Extra survivability doesn't mean being able to solo everything it just means having a better chance of surviving so you can actually help your team.

Suwako a dit :

aside from the range which i brought up too, the only other thing i kind of agree with you there is the low magazine, but since reserve ammo is not an issue, i really don't

Reloading makes you vulnerable and with less ammo you're going to be doing it more often. With it's already slow speed and identical range to all the other slot 1 weapons this gun holds no advantage besides it's damage which doesn't help very often at times. In the time it takes you to fire 3 shots with the M40, you'll probably be dead in 1/2 against the M4A1 or AK47.

Suwako a dit :

if the vertical range was increased both ways, then the current range would be fine. as it is, the only way to really get good shots off is to stand right in the midst of gunfire.

It should still have a bit more range then assualt riffles horizontaly to avoid having to run into the midst of gunfire. Snipers shouldn't be in the front of the gun battle but in the back picking off weak targets and weakening stronger ones for the assualt and subs to take them out which I'm sure will play a much, much bigger part when classes (and maybe perks) are added in the future.

Give it range and the weapon will be fine.

Where is the Magnum stats? I want to buy it!

Vogul a dit :

Give it range and the weapon will be fine.

the only problem with that is that if theres conjuration all over the map, range wont matter either way

Sniper isn't really gonna fit into this game then.

The sniper can fit into the game well, it's just a matter of finding a balance for it's damage without it being too over-powered. I think if it did 17 damage standing and 14 ducking it would be fine as long as it also had a better range then all the other guns.

Edit: M40's been buffed again, I think it's fine where it's at now.

New weapon stats:

G36C
Damage: 2
Crouch damage: 1-2
Magazine: 25
Speed: Fast
Accuracy: Medium
Reload: 3 Seconds
Automatic: Yes

AN94
Damage: 2-3
Crouch damage: 2
Magazine: 20
Speed: Fast
Accuracy: High
Reload: 3 Seconds
Automatic: Yes

UZI
Damage: 1
Crouch damage: 0-1
Magazine: 35
Speed: Fast
Accuracy: Medium
Reload: 2 seconds
Automatic: Yes

Why does the AN have 20 rounds, deal 2-3 damage and takes 3s to reload? At least I know I shouldn't buy that weapon.

Maybe the G36C that is pretty much M4 except better reload.

Vogul a dit :

Why does the AN have 20 rounds, deal 2-3 damage and takes 3s to reload? At least I know I shouldn't buy that weapon.

Maybe the G36C that is pretty much M4 except better reload.

It is. But since this game is in beta let's give them some time to nerf and change where needed.

Health regen would be nice. But that has nothing to do with guns.

Maybe adding some grenades or a form of Ranged weapons apart from snipers would be nice.

Can't wait for any sort of Health pickup/regen whatever.

Meanwhile I'm gonna grind for that G36C

Vogul a dit :

Can't wait for any sort of Health pickup/regen whatever.

Meanwhile I'm gonna grind for that G36C

Lol I can't even log on..

NVM/