the numbers are made up just to show the improvement of each weapon based on skills
i only put numbers to make it easier for you to understand

"when a lot of people are using it and are doing good with it."
WHAAAT? what do you consider good? because my team has 40% snipers usually and they suck, keep dieing and kill nothing

i usually kill 20~ per round, in long ones 30~
the snipers in my team kill 7~9 and since they can't hold the waves nor kill just put the team down
idk if you consider 9 kills a good thing but for me it's not as easy to be a good sniper as to be a good fighter with AN94, AK47...

Shinymew a dit :

I dislike how they made the AK 47 worse.

yeah it was fine before :l now it doesn't pair with the others

Shadowwinter a dit :

The Famas is very useful when you're an accurate player that can hit nearly every single shot on the person. The fire-rate really stops the person in their tracks and pushes them away which can be really annoying when they're trying to stay up on thin ground or trying to get to a good position to shot you without using much ammo. Usually this results in the enemy taking a lot of damage from being pushed around and missing their shots while you avoid taking damage because of it.

The Famas has a lot of potential but I wouldn't recommend it because it does take sometime to get used to and believe it or not because of it's low damage and how fast it blows through ammo it isn't very easy to use. Not as hard as the M40 but not as easy as the other guns.

actually it's a good point about famas, more like acting as support as you wait for the team to come
thinking of it in that way famas can actually be in the same level as the others, but in a second view this tought cannot spread, a team full of famas wouldn't be good. something like 10% would be ideal

But made up numbers mean nothing. You really can't prove anything with them, because they are made up.

When I first picked up the M40 I wasn't exactly "good" with it, I had many bad games and actually threw it away for a while before picking it up again and finally being like "Okay, I'm gonna learn how to use this". After a while I did improve, but I would be lying if said I still have pretty bad games sometimes and missing even one shot sucks.

The only time this weapon is "easy" to use, is when you have a decent team that knows what they're doing and the map isn't spammed full of conjuration. Of course with the exception of the people that got really good with the weapon that can rush with it and get out alive.

I don't think the weapon is easier, or hard. I think it just has a learning curve that most weapons don't and people don't want to get used to it. There's really no winning with these kinds of weapons because people are always going to complain about it's high damage and never think about what lead up to it.

Vogul a dit :

But made up numbers mean nothing. You really can't prove anything with them, because they are made up.

man you just can't understand right?
made up numbers to make it easier for you, exemplifying the reality that you can't understand.

Shadowwinter a dit :

When I first picked up the M40 I wasn't exactly "good" with it, I had many bad games and actually threw it away for a while before picking it up again and finally being like "Okay, I'm gonna learn how to use this". After a while I did improve, but I would be lying if said I still have pretty bad games sometimes and missing even one shot sucks.

The only time this weapon is "easy" to use, is when you have a decent team that knows what they're doing and the map isn't spammed full of conjuration. Of course with the exception of the people that got really good with the weapon that can rush with it and get out alive.

I don't think the weapon is easier, or hard. I think it just has a learning curve that most weapons don't and people don't want to get used to it. There's really no winning with these kinds of weapons because people are always going to complain about it's high damage and never think about what lead up to it.

thank you for knowing things, i was losing hope in ppl :3
that's exactly what i'm trying to say.
the hard part i said can be better explained with that:
"I think it just has a learning curve that most weapons don't and people don't want to get used to it."

man you're deluded

you try to justify getting high kills in a round as being 'good', or making the weapon you use 'hard', but being able to stomp on newbies in br-1 or whatever doesn't mean you're good, it means you can stomp on newbies in a populated room

You are horrible at explaining things. And you need to get off that high horse. Just because I think the weapon doesn't need much to be good with (see above) and you are trying to say I'm wrong (how dare I have a different opinion!) and hellbent on proving it with made up numbers pulled from thin air to "exemplify reality" won't make you any more right in this matter. Stop embarassing yourself and trying to insult me in the process to look better.

argh, i just can't put that in your head ....
It's not about weapon 1 being hard or easy it's about the fact that if you use AK47 at the begining when you are still learning you will do better than if you choose sniper, and if you choose sniper later you will do better than fi you choose AK47.

that's the last time i post here about that, i guess that's the max that i can exemplify my point, if you disagree, ok fine, but at least try to analyse what i'm saying.

Arkiinha a dit :

It's not about weapon 1 being hard or easy

thats what you've been constantly trying to say though

just to spite you, there was a very noticeable difference in my performance once i bought the sniper

If all the weapons are easy to use, then what use is there complaining about the M40 or any other weapon? They each have their own place in the game and there really is no wrong way to play.

No matter what weapon someone's using, they'll always have the potential of killing you regardless. It's just a matter of how good that player is.

Arkiinha a dit :

argh, i just can't put that in your head ....
[url=]It's not about weapon 1 being hard or easy[/url] it's about the fact that if you use AK47 at the begining when you are still learning you will do better than if you choose sniper, and if you choose sniper later you will do better than fi you choose AK47.

that's the last time i post here about that, i guess that's the max that i can exemplify my point, if you disagree, ok fine, but at least try to analyse what i'm saying.

Then

Arkiinha a dit :

the point is, it's easy to go to the front and shoot
but [url=]that's not it's purpose[/url]
you [url=]have[/url] to go close, hide behind your team, put 2 rows of blocks near your head to defend from snipers
shoot snipers first, crouch and retreat when people are dieing, aim on the space between 2 blocks and also keep an eye in your partners blocks so you won't waste a shot.
and sometimes you have to get a high position and shoot without beeing seen, also you need to keep changing between weapons to deal with blocks and with the other 6hp when...

comparing to others, [url=]it's hard[/url], of course if you are a shitty sniper it would be easy

Arkiinha a dit :

It's not about weapon 1 being hard or easy

Contradiction

Arkiinha a dit :

comparing to others, it's hard...

First of all, a weapon does not have one purpose. I've probably said a weapon does, but I actually meant that it is more efficient in one way than another. You don't [url=]have[/url] to use a weapon in a certain way. Also no weapon is hard or easy. That's correct. It's just that to use some weapons in a more effective and efficient way it starts becoming more dependant on whether the player likes to play that way or if the player can play that way. Depending on what you're going to use the gun for, it can be harder to use. But no gun itself is hard to use, just the way you use it may be hard.

That sounded right in my head, may be confusing to others. I swear I contradicted my argument there somewhere.

Made sense to me, just different playstyles make for different diffculties and varies from player to player because no one's going to use the gun the same way. So player x may have an easier time using a weapon than player y because they both play differently as well as other technical stuff.

Even though I'm repeating what you just said, thought it would be easier for others to understand as well (Don't yell at me !). I'm personally having a much more difficult time with the M40 now then I usually did since I adpated to more of a rushing playstyle which I really need to get out of.

bump for guns

M60
Damage: 2
Crouch Damage: 1=2
Magazine: 90
Speed: Fast
Accuracy: NON-EXISTANT
Reload: 6-7 seconds
Automatic: Yes

M60
Damage: 2
Crouch damage: 1-2
Magazine: 90
Speed: Fast
Accuracy: Low-Medium depending on distance
Reload: 5 seconds
Automatic: Yes

• M60



Damage: 2
Crouch Damage: 1-2
Magazine 90
Speed:Fast
Accuracy : Low-Medium
Reload 5 Seconds
Automatic Yes

There is no way in hell its 5 second reload, The .357 mag is 5 second reload, And this takes like 1-2 seconds more

Thetylerlee a dit :

There is no way in hell its 5 second reload, The .357 mag is 5 second reload, And this takes like 1-2 seconds more

I opened time.is in another window, put it next to the fortresse screen, pressed reload and looked at timer. It was 5 seconds to me. Maybe the magnum reload time is incorrect then.

Mag reload time is only 3 seconds( I timed it)

Slowfield a dit :

Maybe the magnum reload time is incorrect then.

Thesnailgary a dit :

Mag reload time is only 3 seconds( I timed it)

Magnum takes 4 seconds to reload.

Katilcekirde a dit :

• M60


Damage: 2
Crouch Damage: 1-2
Magazine 90
Speed:Fast
Accuracy : Low-Medium
Reload 5 Seconds
Automatic Yes

Oh, the magazine...