I wanna be a mod too please

Shafinjerry a dit :

I wanna be a mod too please

This thread is not about being a moderator, but if you want to be one go here.

I also found this topic from 2013: http://atelier801.com/topic?f=5&t=388423

There's this group of basically "spies" that post topics in a secret forum about new hacks that are released, and Tig patches them so that they kill you or ban you when you use them, and this is the "anti cheat program" that I mentioned before.

But it doesn't really look like there's anything like this for Fortoresse.

So either they need some specific players like this for Fort, or they need active moderation. Either way, there's an application process.

People's trust in the admins have really downgraded especially since there are multiple projects put on hold even after they announce them (even including TFM projects) disappointing people every time they fail to meet deadlines.

/Support. Really need more Fort moderation.

There was a livestream on twitch earlier today of Meli drawing for the Shaman Event, I considered bringing up a quick question about this lack of moderation issue, but I assumed that since they actually do check the forums reasonably frequently they've probably already seen this.

I'm sure she wouldn't even have answered it anyway, and your message would have been moderated. It wasn't a Q&A stream.

Who even knows if they're still checking these forums now. We've hardly had major updates in ages, we only had a hack patch because someone reported it directly to them (an anti hack brigadier or someone personally contacted them). I've basically had a huge advanced tactics guide showing off big loopholes and exploits in the game (all basically right in front of the mods, sentinels and admins), CJS has been around everywhere and has not been addressed (we don't even know whether it or crouch jumping is intentional), and we have this petition up where similar topics (not as detailed) on other forums have been shut down immediately. I've also reported a game breaking loophole in the coding.

It's just becoming extremely hard to trust the admins lately. Even if we hit 100 supporters, will anything change? We can only just keep moving forward. We aren't going to let the game die.

From what I've heard/Somewhat experienced before (Being ex MapCrew) and this was a long while ago, the staff (MapCrew, Sentinels, and Moderators) don't really have much better means of communication than players do; It's probably best to leave them out of it because at least from what I've seen Moderators have acknowledged the thread. Sentinels could probably give a reply or two (But nothing too solid) and of course MapCrew doesn't fit the criteria to do so.

In the end; The admins are the ones with all the powers, not the volunteer staff. While they could probably influence the change a little more than the average player, they are still players themselves. It's just like how they can't ban anyone because the moderation system's broke and that's entirely out of their power. Which I've imagine the admins know about it by now.

And to be fairly honest, even after all the complaining that went on with Bouboum wanting change.. Nothing happened, I wouldn't get your hopes up like I did.

/support guys

/support (y)

The deal with boumboum is all the players fault. If people dont like how the game got o complicated with power ups, then they shouldn't have asked for it. They complain about how boumboum is falling apart but have no solution.

Players have the most influence. The deal with hackers is out of our hands to patch. But if its an huge update, then give more suggestions, and plz report hackers and use /tribunal to find hackers and find them guilty. Reporting does help so use it.

holistergo a dit :

The deal with boumboum is all the players fault. If people dont like how the game got o complicated with power ups, then they shouldn't have asked for it. They complain about how boumboum is falling apart but have no solution.

Except it wasn't the players fault and it wasn't because the game got "complicated" because of power-ups, it's because they were unbalanced and the admins took no action towards balancing them so instead players suggested they be removed from the game so the game would remain playable with skill and not luck. I don't remember asking for power-ups myself and I don't remember anyone saying otherwise honestly.

We also gave plenty of solutions, it sucks because the main thread with all the arguments and solutions is archived or else I would've linked that by now as an example.

You could easily say that the whole thing with Fortoresse is the players fault and it kind of is considering the players are the ones hacking it, but that's not exactly in our control now is it? It's not really our fault we don't have the tools to deal with it and that the admins haven't really batted an eyelash at the game in well over than half a year either.

Fortoresse really isn't any better than Bouboum and it'll probably suffer the same fate which was it's development being stumped before it even had a chance to grow. Both were good games (Though I wouldn't say they could've been better than Transformice) but sometimes you just have to accept what's happened.

K so I'm replying to this late but:

solfn a dit :

I also found this topic from 2013: http://atelier801.com/topic?f=5&t=388423

There's this group of basically "spies" that post topics in a secret forum about new hacks that are released, and Tig patches them so that they kill you or ban you when you use them, and this is the "anti cheat program" that I mentioned before.

But it doesn't really look like there's anything like this for Fortoresse.

This will be my first and only time going on record, saying that I am a member of the AHB, and while I can't say much I can say that we are requested to post hacks for any A801 game, including Fortoresse.

Shadowwinter a dit :

holistergo a dit :VoirMasquer

The deal with boumboum is all the players fault. If people dont like how the game got o complicated with power ups, then they shouldn't have asked for it. They complain about how boumboum is falling apart but have no solution.

Except it wasn't the players fault and it wasn't because the game got "complicated" because of power-ups, it's because they were unbalanced and the admins took no action towards balancing them so instead players suggested they be removed from the game so the game would remain playable with skill and not luck. I don't remember asking for power-ups myself and I don't remember anyone saying otherwise honestly.

We also gave plenty of solutions, it sucks because the main thread with all the arguments and solutions is archived or else I would've linked that by now as an example.

You could easily say that the whole thing with Fortoresse is the players fault and it kind of is considering the players are the ones hacking it, but that's not exactly in our control now is it? It's not really our fault we don't have the tools to deal with it and that the admins haven't really batted an eyelash at the game in well over than half a year either.

Fortoresse really isn't any better than Bouboum and it'll probably suffer the same fate which was it's development being stumped before it even had a chance to grow. Both were good games (Though I wouldn't say they could've been better than Transformice) but sometimes you just have to accept what's happened.

I'm not a fan of bouboum but i do know that the only reason why powerups even created was because people did ask for it. Why would they put it into the game if no one asked for it? Something like powerups would only come from the players. Some of the suggestions may come from fb pages trello and other sites where they can get suggestions.

But i do understand the fact that they are unbalanced, i've read this somewhere in the forums and totally forgot it. I'm pretty sure the admins put someone in charge of "balancing it" but that person took a 1 year vacation somewhere.......

Aside all that, players should be heard but aren't. If Admins continue to think that all their revenue comes from tfm, then their future revenue from their other games won't happen. They need to take care of their own games money or not.

holistergo a dit :

Shadowwinter a dit :VoirMasquer

holistergo a dit :VoirMasquer

The deal with boumboum is all the players fault. If people dont like how the game got o complicated with power ups, then they shouldn't have asked for it. They complain about how boumboum is falling apart but have no solution.

Except it wasn't the players fault and it wasn't because the game got "complicated" because of power-ups, it's because they were unbalanced and the admins took no action towards balancing them so instead players suggested they be removed from the game so the game would remain playable with skill and not luck. I don't remember asking for power-ups myself and I don't remember anyone saying otherwise honestly.

We also gave plenty of solutions, it sucks because the main thread with all the arguments and solutions is archived or else I would've linked that by now as an example.

You could easily say that the whole thing with Fortoresse is the players fault and it kind of is considering the players are the ones hacking it, but that's not exactly in our control now is it? It's not really our fault we don't have the tools to deal with it and that the admins haven't really batted an eyelash at the game in well over than half a year either.

Fortoresse really isn't any better than Bouboum and it'll probably suffer the same fate which was it's development being stumped before it even had a chance to grow. Both were good games (Though I wouldn't say they could've been better than Transformice) but sometimes you just have to accept what's happened.

I'm not a fan of bouboum but i do know that the only reason why powerups even created was because people did ask for it. Why would they put it into the game if no one asked for it? Something like powerups would only come from the players. Some of the suggestions may come from fb pages trello and other sites where they can get suggestions.

But i do understand the fact that they are unbalanced, i've read this somewhere in the forums and totally forgot it. I'm pretty sure the admins put someone in charge of "balancing it" but that person took a 1 year vacation somewhere.......

Aside all that, players should be heard but aren't. If Admins continue to think that all their revenue comes from tfm, then their future revenue from their other games won't happen. They need to take care of their own games money or not.

Sorry for adding to the off-topic-ness

There are many cases in many games (including Atelier 801) where companies add content to their game no one asked for (good or bad), or if someone DID ask for it it had no bearing. That IS what their job is for the most part; coming up with ideas, considering their merits/balancing/fun, and implementing them should they see fit for the best game possible.

-Fortoresse example: I don't recall millions of people asking for different hairstyles in Fortoresse, but it was added anyways.
-General example: If I made a game about cats, and everyone suggested I let you throw them out windows for fun, whose fault is it if I add that in?

Besides, even if they do use an idea / are inspired by it, it's the DEVELOPER that controls the, well, development of the game (or the boss that controls them as it may be); it's how they choose to use and implement an idea that matters.

Edit: Please note, I'm not trying to make it sound like all their fault, but the community is not ultimately responsible for the content that goes into the game; it's the devs' job to control the flow of development, even if it would seem to make the outspoken majority of players unhappy (although usually a "compromise" should try to be reached if possible).

holistergo a dit :

Shadowwinter a dit :VoirMasquer

holistergo a dit :VoirMasquer

The deal with boumboum is all the players fault. If people dont like how the game got o complicated with power ups, then they shouldn't have asked for it. They complain about how boumboum is falling apart but have no solution.

Except it wasn't the players fault and it wasn't because the game got "complicated" because of power-ups, it's because they were unbalanced and the admins took no action towards balancing them so instead players suggested they be removed from the game so the game would remain playable with skill and not luck. I don't remember asking for power-ups myself and I don't remember anyone saying otherwise honestly.

We also gave plenty of solutions, it sucks because the main thread with all the arguments and solutions is archived or else I would've linked that by now as an example.

You could easily say that the whole thing with Fortoresse is the players fault and it kind of is considering the players are the ones hacking it, but that's not exactly in our control now is it? It's not really our fault we don't have the tools to deal with it and that the admins haven't really batted an eyelash at the game in well over than half a year either.

Fortoresse really isn't any better than Bouboum and it'll probably suffer the same fate which was it's development being stumped before it even had a chance to grow. Both were good games (Though I wouldn't say they could've been better than Transformice) but sometimes you just have to accept what's happened.

I'm not a fan of bouboum but i do know that the only reason why powerups even created was because people did ask for it. Why would they put it into the game if no one asked for it? Something like powerups would only come from the players. Some of the suggestions may come from fb pages trello and other sites where they can get suggestions.

Nothing wring with that. No offense to the people that make these kinds of suggestions but generally people who suggest these kinds of things are a majority of the time inexperienced with the game (For example people suggesting attack dogs or other types of pets in Fortoresse which would never work). I'm not saying the Admins shouldn't listen to newer players but they should definitely be taken with a grain of salt and lean more towards the players that have experienced the game -- (I'm not saying experienced players are always right either).

holistergo a dit :

Aside all that, players should be heard but aren't. If Admins continue to think that all their revenue comes from tfm, then their future revenue from their other games won't happen. They need to take care of their own games money or not.

Their three other games aren't making much if any revenue (Probably from ads?). I think it'd just lead to them losing more money than what they'd be making if they added Fraises to the other games now so all their revenue (or at least a majority of it) will continue to be from Transformice. I think it's a little late to do anything about it unless these games rise from the dead somehow with a massive playerbase.

i agree.

Sadly yes, but there are plenty of people who would do it.

/support