Weapon Info

AN94
Damage: 2-3
Crouch damage: 2
^ crouch damage is 1-2

So would the AN94 be the best?

Thanks mannnn this thread was sooooooo helpful!

Information of the new weapons (done very quickly).

Legend : DAMAGE / MAGAZINES / RELOAD / *RATE / *ACCURACY

UMP 45
2.00 / 14 / 1.00 / 12.50 / 10
"Fast" version of MP5 (less ammunitions and more accurate).

Steyr Aug
4.50 / 20 / 2.50 / 4.00 / 6
"Strong and slow" version of AK47.

P90
**1.40 / 50 / 2.00 / 12.50 / 12
Look like a Famas but less accurate.

Glock 18
3.00 / 11 / 1.00 / 4.00 / 2
"Light" version of Desert eagle (faster and less damage).

MP412 REX
6.00 / 12 / 3.00 / 2.20 / 6
"Light" version of .357 Magnum (faster and less damage).

* : approximative value (can be wrong)

** : has the same issue as the Famas

#165

I've tested the Steyr Aug and P90 and got about the same data, although my accuracies where lower (but then I only did a quick check).

Edit: Also, added your stats to the wiki (attributed you on the page history of course :) )

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#166

Armory - Fortoresse Wiki a dit :
P90
Dmg per Second: 7.55.78

I don't know how we should read it. :/

It should be around 17.5 DPS.

About the wikia, I think we should keep the essential data in one table and the calculated data in another table.

For the calculated one, there is already the DPS which use the "damage" and the "rate" and for the others we could have for example the continual DPS (including the reload), the continual rate, the "Time To Deal 40 HP" and some others stuffs.

#167

Opps, idk how I messed that up so badly =p

And having a separate table is probably a good idea. Updated weapons page with a new table at the bottom.

#168

So now, with the new update, what's the best 1st weapon and secondary weapon? Is sniper and uzi still the best combo or a new one has taken place?

And off-topic, what perk combination would you recommend? :)

Thx

Knicksfans

#169

knicksfans a dit :
So now, with the new update, what's the best 1st weapon and secondary weapon? Is sniper and uzi still the best combo or a new one has taken place?

And off-topic, what perk combination would you recommend? :)

Thx

Knicksfans

There is no "best" weapon combination, before or after the update. Using the stats listed on this thread / by +Laurent above, you need to find the combo that best works for your play style. (+Laurent does a good job summarizing each of the new weapons as well). You can also view each weapon on a sortable table on the wiki.

As far as perk combination, I'd personally say not much has really changed (just keep in mind land mines do 10 less damage now).

#170

If you have a page about weapon info, you should add stuff about short/long term dps. Short term would just be the firing rate multiplied by the damage. Long term would be the damage over one whole clip divided by the firing time plus the reload time.

Imo, both are needed to see which weapon is actually more worth using than the others, especially if you're doing something like killing with weapon 2, and playing during extended firefights.

Here's what I calculated them to be (I used the wikia information):

I actually checked out how viable each weapon is in long-distance combat, too. The results are surprising.
I believe these are the kinds of situations we're looking at:
DPS (short) - Very brief 1v1 encounters - SPAS-12 is the winner (by far)
DPS (long) - Not sure what kind of situation is this - perhaps a weapon 2 is a good choice. The Desert Eagle takes this one. However, the .357 Magnum would defeat the Desert Eagle, as it has space to duck, whereas the deagle cannot at its fastest rate of fire.
Long distance DPS (short) - Campy 1v1 or small group battles where the players are avoiding getting close - UMP 45 wins, surprisingly, though it is made bad by its very low ammo. The Famas is the next best, so is the better option to go with. The M4 A1 would defeat the Famas, if the owner of the Famas is not a good aimer, or the M4 A1 owner is ducking.
Long distance DPS (long) - Big skirmishes from long distances, with lots of players. The Steyr Aug is the best choice, because again the UMP 45 is topping this list but has low ammo.

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#171

Calculating the long DPS of low rate weapon is different from fast rate weapon.

For example in the case where we take the weapon which have the lowest rate, the M40 A5 and which have 7 ammunitions (to make the calculation easier).

The 1st is shot at 0 second,
the 2nd at 0.66,
the 3rd at 1.33,
the 4th at 2.00,
the 5th at 2.66,
the 6th at 3.33,
the 7th at 4 and
the end of the reload is at 7 (3 seconds).

Once the reload is over, the player can shot again right after that, which mean the weapon do a period of 7 seconds.

This is the way I calculate the long DPS (in general):

long DPS = TOTAL DAMAGE / TOTAL TIME
TOTAL DAMAGE = DAMAGE * MAGAZINES
TOTAL TIME = (MAGAZINES / RATE) + RELOAD

The only difference is about the total time, which look like that:

TOTAL TIME' = ((MAGAZINES - 1) / RATE) + RELOAD

And thus the long DPS of the sniper would be 10.07 instead of 8.81.

#172

I kept trying but I never got that 10.07. The long dps calculation is exactly the same for both types of weapons.

To explain this, I'll show it to you visually, with a theoretical 4 bullet magazine weapon.
Reload Bullet ------- Bullet ------- Bullet ------- Bullet Reload Bullet ------ Bullet ------ Bullet ------- Bullet Reload ....
So between reloads for a theoretical 4 magazine gun, we need to consider 3 timeframes between shots (i.e. time for one bullet, or 1/(Rate)) and then the extra reload time.
The behaviour of the reload is exactly the same for all the guns, it isn't any different for a fast or slow weapon.

Other than that, I seem to have made a mistake with the calculation, but the order is still the same. I'll go back and fix it later when I have time.

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#173

Here the real values :

DPS : Damages per second
DPC : Damages per magazine
DPM : Damages per minute
R : Reload time
P : Precision

Keep in mind that I change values frequently!

#174

Tigrounette a dit :
Here the real values :

| CARABINE_M4
DPS : 20.0
DPC : 60.0
DPM : 600.0
R:3 / P:10
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| MP5
DPS : 31.2
DPC : 55.0
DPM : 825.0
R:2 / P:30
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| FUSIL_POMPE
DPS : 40.0
DPC : 96.0
DPM : 1056.0
R:3 / P:100
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| AK_47
DPS : 17.1
DPC : 90.0
DPM : 540.0
R:3 / P:15
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| FAMAS
DPS : 21.2
DPC : 51.0
DPM : 612.0
R:2 / P:10
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| M40A5
DPS : 11.7
DPC : 136.0
DPM : 544.0
R:3 / P:0
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| G36C
DPS : 22.2
DPC : 50.0
DPM : 600.0
R:2 / P:20
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| AN94
DPS : 19.2
DPC : 50.0
DPM : 550.0
R:2 / P:5
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| M60
DPS : 16.6
DPC : 180.0
DPM : 540.0
R:5 / P:30
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| UMP45
DPS : 28.5
DPC : 28.0
DPM : 840.0
R:1 / P:20
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| STEYR_AUG
DPS : 20.4
DPC : 90.0
DPM : 720.0
R:3 / P:10
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| P90
DPS : 17.5
DPC : 70.0
DPM : 700.0
R:2 / P:20
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| BERETTA
DPS : 13.3
DPC : 34.0
DPM : 544.0
R:1 / P:3
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| MAGNUM
DPS : 18.0
DPC : 54.0
DPM : 432.0
R:4 / P:10
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| DESERT_EAGLE
DPS : 16.6
DPC : 45.0
DPM : 540.0
R:2 / P:5
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| UZI
DPS : 14.2
DPC : 35.0
DPM : 525.0
R:1 / P:20
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| GLOCK_18
DPS : 15.0
DPC : 33.0
DPM : 594.0
R:1 / P:3
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| MP412_REX
DPS : 15.0
DPC : 72.0
DPM : 504.0
R:3 / P:10

DPS : Damages per second
DPC : Damages per magazine
DPM : Damages per minute
R : Reload time
P : Precision

Keep in mind that I change values frequently!

Thanks noob.

#175

Tigrounette a dit :
Here the real values :

| CARABINE_M4
DPS : 20.0
DPC : 60.0
DPM : 600.0
R:3 / P:10
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| MP5
DPS : 31.2
DPC : 55.0
DPM : 825.0
R:2 / P:30
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| FUSIL_POMPE
DPS : 40.0
DPC : 96.0
DPM : 1056.0
R:3 / P:100
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| AK_47
DPS : 17.1
DPC : 90.0
DPM : 540.0
R:3 / P:15
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| FAMAS
DPS : 21.2
DPC : 51.0
DPM : 612.0
R:2 / P:10
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| M40A5
DPS : 11.7
DPC : 136.0
DPM : 544.0
R:3 / P:0
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| G36C
DPS : 22.2
DPC : 50.0
DPM : 600.0
R:2 / P:20
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| AN94
DPS : 19.2
DPC : 50.0
DPM : 550.0
R:2 / P:5
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| M60
DPS : 16.6
DPC : 180.0
DPM : 540.0
R:5 / P:30
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| UMP45
DPS : 28.5
DPC : 28.0
DPM : 840.0
R:1 / P:20
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| STEYR_AUG
DPS : 20.4
DPC : 90.0
DPM : 720.0
R:3 / P:10
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| P90
DPS : 17.5
DPC : 70.0
DPM : 700.0
R:2 / P:20
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| BERETTA
DPS : 13.3
DPC : 34.0
DPM : 544.0
R:1 / P:3
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| MAGNUM
DPS : 18.0
DPC : 54.0
DPM : 432.0
R:4 / P:10
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| DESERT_EAGLE
DPS : 16.6
DPC : 45.0
DPM : 540.0
R:2 / P:5
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| UZI
DPS : 14.2
DPC : 35.0
DPM : 525.0
R:1 / P:20
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| GLOCK_18
DPS : 15.0
DPC : 33.0
DPM : 594.0
R:1 / P:3
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| MP412_REX
DPS : 15.0
DPC : 72.0
DPM : 504.0
R:3 / P:10

DPS : Damages per second
DPC : Damages per magazine
DPM : Damages per minute
R : Reload time
P : Precision

Keep in mind that I change values frequently!

every week or so?

#176

This is what Tig's data basically tells us.

Seems pretty similar to what I obtained. Some minor differences.
The data basically says that the only king of weapon 1 is the ump-45. But the clip limit makes it pretty useless :(
Also the three most balanced weapon 2s are the Magnum, the Deagle, and the Glock.

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#177

@Tigrounette

*check Uzi reload time...*

The reload time doesn't match with the description. It look like the decimal part is cut...

Does the precision is exprimed in percentage? And if it's the case, could this percentage be multiplicated by 60°?

#178

I have no idea what the precision is, but I estimated that the precision needed to always hit a distant target is 20, and I just used fractions after that.
And yeah, having a look at that uzi reload time seems a bit fishy. Regardless, the uzi is only a good digging weapon, it doesn't do the best at all in offense.

#179

The minimum and the maximum value of the precision is 0 and 100 respectively.
The M40 A5 has the value 0 and 0 degree of accuracy which is pretty obvious.
The SPAS-12 has the value 100 and 60 degree around.

I assumed that the percentage was multiplicated by the maximum of the variation degree.

The reload time of the Uzi is 1.5 seconds and most weapon has 2.5 seconds (Famas, G36C, AN94).

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#180

In that case, I assume my calculations are still mostly ok.. since the precisions still differ by the same proportions.
But yeah, looks like that's how the weapons stack up when you consider everything non-skilled about the game.
Tig's made little errors in his data in the past. I should probably change those reloads to your data. But the dpm was already calculated, and you just divide it by 60 to get the long dps..

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