/no support, because :
1. It's annoying
2. Amoral
3. Transformice can be looked as a LGBT place or supporting LGBT
4. Tons of Transformice players can quitting playing Transformice

Kokoro_pyonpyon a dit :

/no support, because :
1. It's annoying
2. Amoral
3. Transformice can be looked as a LGBT place or supporting LGBT
4. Tons of Transformice players can quitting playing Transformice

Pardon me but what exactly is wrong with being a LGBT supporting platform? If it annoys you, you can just IGNORE people. You don't need to know everything or see everything. Let the others be themselves, even if it triggers you. These reasons you just listed are totally ridiculous. This can't be unsupported, in fact, it HAS TO BE supported since homophobia is growing and being spread around. We don't have any reason to hate straight people but somehow, for some reasons, you do.

I totally support that and TFM being a LGBT supporting platform is no bad at all, furthermore, it'd get more people together to be united as a huge LGBT community, which would even help people prevent suicide. Maybe you don't know but somewhere out there, LGBT persons are being killed due to their sexuality, or they kill themselves because they can't bear the life that is UNBEARABLE because of the way people like you think. I'd been one of them in past, but I have overcome it.

/support

Miyakogotoku a dit :

Pardon me but what exactly is wrong with being a LGBT supporting platform?

I personally don't like when companies mindlessly virtue signal like what audi did with their super bowl ad. There is a time and place to put forward your opinion on something controversial, an online mouse game is not that place.

Miyakogotoku a dit :

Pardon me but what exactly is wrong with being a LGBT supporting platform?

If you make Transformice be a LGBT supporting platform then this game can labeled not for kids.

Miyakogotoku a dit :

If it annoys you, you can just IGNORE people.

A man making spam reports to moderator. Are moderator just ignore him?

Miyakogotoku a dit :

You don't need to know everything or see everything.

Are you just trusting people that you just meet?

Miyakogotoku a dit :

Let the others be themselves, even if it triggers you.

Some students bullying another students, are teachers just sit do nothing?

Miyakogotoku a dit :

These reasons you just listed are totally ridiculous. This can't be unsupported, in fact, it HAS TO BE supported since homophobia is growing and being spread around.

Meklnp geopis anetoe ed htli, nlce idea.
May you mistaken what i mean.

Miyakogotoku a dit :

We don't have any reason to hate straight people but somehow, for some reasons, you do.

Firstly of all, I didn't say that i'm hate LGBT people.
I just thinking that was annoying that you like someone with same gender as you.

Miyakogotoku a dit :

I totally support that and TFM being a LGBT supporting platform is no bad at all, furthermore, it'd get more people together to be united as a huge LGBT community, which would even help people prevent suicide.

Prevent suicide? Anyone or something can prevent suicide, you know.

Miyakogotoku a dit :

Maybe you don't know but somewhere out there, LGBT persons are being killed due to their sexuality, or they kill themselves because they can't bear the life that is UNBEARABLE because of the way people like you think. I'd been one of them in past, but I have overcome it.

I didn't suicide because i have someone I believe that he will overcome all of my problem.

I'm sorry, your arguments just don't make sense. Both in a sense that it's very difficult to read, as well as the fact that they're B.S. arguments.
First of all, if you're worried about religious people getting offended and quitting the game or whatever, that's complete garbage. Religious people don't hate LGBT people. Homophobes do. There are so many unknowns about the bible and so many rules we chose to disregard, most religious families will accept people and appreciate the fact that they have their own beliefs and love them unconditionally, like the bible teaches them to do. What do I know though, I'm an athiest.
Even then, if you're still afraid of hurting homophobe's precious little fragile feelings with our pixelated rainbow flag, you should also be concerned about the various different flags frightening off racists. After all, if we're so concerned about homophobes staying in the game, we should welcome racists as well, correct? Nope, that's not how that works.
And your other arguments just... don't make sense at all. I literally cannot comprehend the message you are attempting to convey to us.

To wrap up this tangent, we really don't care if it annoys you. Representation is important. Anime annoys me, but do you see me arguing to try and have your profile pic removed? No, because it's a matter of preference and it's a matter of personal representation. If adding in an LGBT flag really offends you that much that you'd be driven away from the game, perhaps we're better off without people like you.

/full support

Gwenns a dit :

I'm sorry, your arguments just don't make sense. Both in a sense that it's very difficult to read, as well as the fact that they're B.S. arguments.
First of all, if you're worried about religious people getting offended and quitting the game or whatever, that's complete garbage. Religious people don't hate LGBT people. Homophobes do. There are so many unknowns about the bible and so many rules we chose to disregard, most religious families will accept people and appreciate the fact that they have their own beliefs and love them unconditionally, like the bible teaches them to do. What do I know though, I'm an athiest.
Even then, if you're still afraid of hurting homophobe's precious little fragile feelings with our pixelated rainbow flag, you should also be concerned about the various different flags frightening off racists. After all, if we're so concerned about homophobes staying in the game, we should welcome racists as well, correct? Nope, that's not how that works.
And your other arguments just... don't make sense at all. I literally cannot comprehend the message you are attempting to convey to us.

To wrap up this tangent, we really don't care if it annoys you. Representation is important. Anime annoys me, but do you see me arguing to try and have your profile pic removed? No, because it's a matter of preference and it's a matter of personal representation. If adding in an LGBT flag really offends you that much that you'd be driven away from the game, perhaps we're better off without people like you.

/full support

I think you are making a big mistake by conflating believing in traditional values with immorality. It is entirely possible to live among, befriend and even love people who are gay/bi/whatever and not agree with their sexual preferences. Just because you do not believe in homosexuality it does not instantly make you a bad person; it could simply mean it is foreign to you and you don't wish to accept it. I personally have no issue with it myself, but It makes sense that something only around 3% of people identify as is considered abnormal. The very definition of normal is a standard, and in 97% of relationships that standard is a man and a woman. As far as representation goes, this is where I begin to have issues with the LGBT+ community. If you want to do your thing I really don't care, but it becomes annoying when they feel the need to shove it down everyone's throats. Unless you live in a middle eastern country, homosexuals have it very good and I don't understand why they march down streets waving flags and banners. If they wish to be accepted as normal then they should start by stop trying to stand out. That is why I and others do not support this suggestion, and just because we disagree it does not make us bad people.

Force_shaman a dit :

Gwenns a dit :VoirMasquer

I'm sorry, your arguments just don't make sense. Both in a sense that it's very difficult to read, as well as the fact that they're B.S. arguments.
First of all, if you're worried about religious people getting offended and quitting the game or whatever, that's complete garbage. Religious people don't hate LGBT people. Homophobes do. There are so many unknowns about the bible and so many rules we chose to disregard, most religious families will accept people and appreciate the fact that they have their own beliefs and love them unconditionally, like the bible teaches them to do. What do I know though, I'm an athiest.
Even then, if you're still afraid of hurting homophobe's precious little fragile feelings with our pixelated rainbow flag, you should also be concerned about the various different flags frightening off racists. After all, if we're so concerned about homophobes staying in the game, we should welcome racists as well, correct? Nope, that's not how that works.
And your other arguments just... don't make sense at all. I literally cannot comprehend the message you are attempting to convey to us.

To wrap up this tangent, we really don't care if it annoys you. Representation is important. Anime annoys me, but do you see me arguing to try and have your profile pic removed? No, because it's a matter of preference and it's a matter of personal representation. If adding in an LGBT flag really offends you that much that you'd be driven away from the game, perhaps we're better off without people like you.

/full support

I think you are making a big mistake by conflating believing in traditional values with immorality. It is entirely possible to live among, befriend and even love people who are gay/bi/whatever and not agree with their sexual preferences. Just because you do not believe in homosexuality it does not instantly make you a bad person; it could simply mean it is foreign to you and you don't wish to accept it. I personally have no issue with it myself, but It makes sense that something only around 3% of people identify as is considered abnormal. The very definition of normal is a standard, and in 97% of relationships that standard is a man and a woman. As far as representation goes, this is where I begin to have issues with the LGBT+ community. If you want to do your thing I really don't care, but it becomes annoying when they feel the need to shove it down everyone's throats. Unless you live in a middle eastern country, homosexuals have it very good and I don't understand why they march down streets waving flags and banners. If they wish to be accepted as normal then they should start by stop trying to stand out. That is why I and others do not support this suggestion, and just because we disagree it does not make us bad people.

listen bucko you're a bad person for not supporting it and theres many reasons in what you said?? cis heteros always shove heterosexuality down everyones throats. you are LITERALLY a homophobe actually almost the definition of it. sorry that they stand out because you wanna MAKE it that way??? damn sit down have some fucking chill pills

in other words, /support. this is needed.

Worshishire a dit :

cis heteros always shove heterosexuality down everyones throats.

we don't run around waving straight flags and calling for straights to band together, do we? Now I know not all LGBT+ folk do this but I have never seen this occur on the other side.

Worshishire a dit :

you are LITERALLY a homophobe actually almost the definition of it.

Force_shaman a dit :

I personally have no issue with it myself,

Worshishire a dit :

sorry that they stand out because you wanna MAKE it that way???

Worshishire a dit :

damn sit down have some fucking chill pills

I strongly suggest you reassess who isn't chill about this discussion

Antidepressant a dit :

Force_shaman a dit :VoirMasquer

Gwenns a dit :VoirMasquer

I'm sorry, your arguments just don't make sense. Both in a sense that it's very difficult to read, as well as the fact that they're B.S. arguments.
First of all, if you're worried about religious people getting offended and quitting the game or whatever, that's complete garbage. Religious people don't hate LGBT people. Homophobes do. There are so many unknowns about the bible and so many rules we chose to disregard, most religious families will accept people and appreciate the fact that they have their own beliefs and love them unconditionally, like the bible teaches them to do. What do I know though, I'm an athiest.
Even then, if you're still afraid of hurting homophobe's precious little fragile feelings with our pixelated rainbow flag, you should also be concerned about the various different flags frightening off racists. After all, if we're so concerned about homophobes staying in the game, we should welcome racists as well, correct? Nope, that's not how that works.
And your other arguments just... don't make sense at all. I literally cannot comprehend the message you are attempting to convey to us.

To wrap up this tangent, we really don't care if it annoys you. Representation is important. Anime annoys me, but do you see me arguing to try and have your profile pic removed? No, because it's a matter of preference and it's a matter of personal representation. If adding in an LGBT flag really offends you that much that you'd be driven away from the game, perhaps we're better off without people like you.

/full support

I think you are making a big mistake by conflating believing in traditional values with immorality. It is entirely possible to live among, befriend and even love people who are gay/bi/whatever and not agree with their sexual preferences. Just because you do not believe in homosexuality it does not instantly make you a bad person; it could simply mean it is foreign to you and you don't wish to accept it. I personally have no issue with it myself, but It makes sense that something only around 3% of people identify as is considered abnormal. The very definition of normal is a standard, and in 97% of relationships that standard is a man and a woman. As far as representation goes, this is where I begin to have issues with the LGBT+ community. If you want to do your thing I really don't care, but it becomes annoying when they feel the need to shove it down everyone's throats. Unless you live in a middle eastern country, homosexuals have it very good and I don't understand why they march down streets waving flags and banners. If they wish to be accepted as normal then they should start by stop trying to stand out. That is why I and others do not support this suggestion, and just because we disagree it does not make us bad people.

We don't have it good wtf are you talking about lmfao.

edit: Wanting basic human rights isn't shoving who we are down people's throat. Wanting representation isn't shoving who we are down people's throat. There's a huge difference. And I can't believe you have the audacity to say that just because some of use don't live in a country where the law strictly forbids anyone LGBT and there are severe punishments for being who you are, doesn't mean we don't have to deal with extreme circumstances in our own homes. That doesn't mean we don't have to deal with homophobia or transphobia where we work,where we go to school, where we shop, where we go to use the restroom. "We have it good.". What, did you just only acknowledge that gay marriage is legal in some countries and go "homophobia is over, stop whining".

Please elaborate on what actual problems you face, preferably more serious than using the bathroom. Which basic human rights are you currently being denied and where?

Force_shaman a dit :

Worshishire a dit :VoirMasquer

cis heteros always shove heterosexuality down everyones throats.

we don't run around waving straight flags and calling for straights to band together, do we? Now I know not all LGBT+ folk do this but I have never seen this occur on the other side.

Worshishire a dit :VoirMasquer

you are LITERALLY a homophobe actually almost the definition of it.

Force_shaman a dit :VoirMasquer

I personally have no issue with it myself,

Worshishire a dit :VoirMasquer

sorry that they stand out because you wanna MAKE it that way???

Worshishire a dit :VoirMasquer

damn sit down have some fucking chill pills

I strongly suggest you reassess who isn't chill about this discussion

Antidepressant a dit :VoirMasquer

Force_shaman a dit :VoirMasquer

Gwenns a dit :VoirMasquer

I'm sorry, your arguments just don't make sense. Both in a sense that it's very difficult to read, as well as the fact that they're B.S. arguments.
First of all, if you're worried about religious people getting offended and quitting the game or whatever, that's complete garbage. Religious people don't hate LGBT people. Homophobes do. There are so many unknowns about the bible and so many rules we chose to disregard, most religious families will accept people and appreciate the fact that they have their own beliefs and love them unconditionally, like the bible teaches them to do. What do I know though, I'm an athiest.
Even then, if you're still afraid of hurting homophobe's precious little fragile feelings with our pixelated rainbow flag, you should also be concerned about the various different flags frightening off racists. After all, if we're so concerned about homophobes staying in the game, we should welcome racists as well, correct? Nope, that's not how that works.
And your other arguments just... don't make sense at all. I literally cannot comprehend the message you are attempting to convey to us.

To wrap up this tangent, we really don't care if it annoys you. Representation is important. Anime annoys me, but do you see me arguing to try and have your profile pic removed? No, because it's a matter of preference and it's a matter of personal representation. If adding in an LGBT flag really offends you that much that you'd be driven away from the game, perhaps we're better off without people like you.

/full support

I think you are making a big mistake by conflating believing in traditional values with immorality. It is entirely possible to live among, befriend and even love people who are gay/bi/whatever and not agree with their sexual preferences. Just because you do not believe in homosexuality it does not instantly make you a bad person; it could simply mean it is foreign to you and you don't wish to accept it. I personally have no issue with it myself, but It makes sense that something only around 3% of people identify as is considered abnormal. The very definition of normal is a standard, and in 97% of relationships that standard is a man and a woman. As far as representation goes, this is where I begin to have issues with the LGBT+ community. If you want to do your thing I really don't care, but it becomes annoying when they feel the need to shove it down everyone's throats. Unless you live in a middle eastern country, homosexuals have it very good and I don't understand why they march down streets waving flags and banners. If they wish to be accepted as normal then they should start by stop trying to stand out. That is why I and others do not support this suggestion, and just because we disagree it does not make us bad people.

We don't have it good wtf are you talking about lmfao.

edit: Wanting basic human rights isn't shoving who we are down people's throat. Wanting representation isn't shoving who we are down people's throat. There's a huge difference. And I can't believe you have the audacity to say that just because some of use don't live in a country where the law strictly forbids anyone LGBT and there are severe punishments for being who you are, doesn't mean we don't have to deal with extreme circumstances in our own homes. That doesn't mean we don't have to deal with homophobia or transphobia where we work,where we go to school, where we shop, where we go to use the restroom. "We have it good.". What, did you just only acknowledge that gay marriage is legal in some countries and go "homophobia is over, stop whining".

Please elaborate on what actual problems you face, preferably more serious than using the bathroom. Which basic human rights are you currently being denied and where?

I like how you skipped over about all the things I said and chose only bathrooms.

I won't be replying anymore, you're ignorant.

Antidepressant a dit :

Force_shaman a dit :VoirMasquer

Worshishire a dit :VoirMasquer

cis heteros always shove heterosexuality down everyones throats.

we don't run around waving straight flags and calling for straights to band together, do we? Now I know not all LGBT+ folk do this but I have never seen this occur on the other side.

Worshishire a dit :VoirMasquer

you are LITERALLY a homophobe actually almost the definition of it.

Force_shaman a dit :VoirMasquer

I personally have no issue with it myself,

Worshishire a dit :VoirMasquer

sorry that they stand out because you wanna MAKE it that way???

Worshishire a dit :VoirMasquer

damn sit down have some fucking chill pills

I strongly suggest you reassess who isn't chill about this discussion

Antidepressant a dit :VoirMasquer

Force_shaman a dit :VoirMasquer

Gwenns a dit :VoirMasquer

I'm sorry, your arguments just don't make sense. Both in a sense that it's very difficult to read, as well as the fact that they're B.S. arguments.
First of all, if you're worried about religious people getting offended and quitting the game or whatever, that's complete garbage. Religious people don't hate LGBT people. Homophobes do. There are so many unknowns about the bible and so many rules we chose to disregard, most religious families will accept people and appreciate the fact that they have their own beliefs and love them unconditionally, like the bible teaches them to do. What do I know though, I'm an athiest.
Even then, if you're still afraid of hurting homophobe's precious little fragile feelings with our pixelated rainbow flag, you should also be concerned about the various different flags frightening off racists. After all, if we're so concerned about homophobes staying in the game, we should welcome racists as well, correct? Nope, that's not how that works.
And your other arguments just... don't make sense at all. I literally cannot comprehend the message you are attempting to convey to us.

To wrap up this tangent, we really don't care if it annoys you. Representation is important. Anime annoys me, but do you see me arguing to try and have your profile pic removed? No, because it's a matter of preference and it's a matter of personal representation. If adding in an LGBT flag really offends you that much that you'd be driven away from the game, perhaps we're better off without people like you.

/full support

I think you are making a big mistake by conflating believing in traditional values with immorality. It is entirely possible to live among, befriend and even love people who are gay/bi/whatever and not agree with their sexual preferences. Just because you do not believe in homosexuality it does not instantly make you a bad person; it could simply mean it is foreign to you and you don't wish to accept it. I personally have no issue with it myself, but It makes sense that something only around 3% of people identify as is considered abnormal. The very definition of normal is a standard, and in 97% of relationships that standard is a man and a woman. As far as representation goes, this is where I begin to have issues with the LGBT+ community. If you want to do your thing I really don't care, but it becomes annoying when they feel the need to shove it down everyone's throats. Unless you live in a middle eastern country, homosexuals have it very good and I don't understand why they march down streets waving flags and banners. If they wish to be accepted as normal then they should start by stop trying to stand out. That is why I and others do not support this suggestion, and just because we disagree it does not make us bad people.

We don't have it good wtf are you talking about lmfao.

edit: Wanting basic human rights isn't shoving who we are down people's throat. Wanting representation isn't shoving who we are down people's throat. There's a huge difference. And I can't believe you have the audacity to say that just because some of use don't live in a country where the law strictly forbids anyone LGBT and there are severe punishments for being who you are, doesn't mean we don't have to deal with extreme circumstances in our own homes. That doesn't mean we don't have to deal with homophobia or transphobia where we work,where we go to school, where we shop, where we go to use the restroom. "We have it good.". What, did you just only acknowledge that gay marriage is legal in some countries and go "homophobia is over, stop whining".

Please elaborate on what actual problems you face, preferably more serious than using the bathroom. Which basic human rights are you currently being denied and where?

I like how you skipped over about all the things I said and chose only bathrooms.

I won't be replying anymore, you're ignorant.

The bathroom was the only explicit example you gave me to work with, everything else was extremely vague.

i don't think an LGBT flag is necessary at all
its not that im against it or anything, but how about we just keep the flags for the original purpose instead?
im sure you can find other ways to show your support for the LGBT community.
/no support

I know I made a post about this at the start when this thread was created but I retract my agreement on it.
Homophobia and transphobia is still alive and real, even on transformice. I've dealt with it first hand multiple times on the Discord server, and whilst that was swiftly dealt with, it cant be countered as easily on the game itself.
An LGBT flag can cause an uproar and it makes you the target of abuse and oppression. I do not feel that this would be fit for a game with an already toxic community. It will cause a problem for players AND staff, and it's not fair to do that when we can avoid it altogether.
/no support

There are many people in the game who aren't straight
We definitely need this. If people don't like it, they will just have to deal with it
/full support

Gwenns a dit :

Force_shaman a dit :VoirMasquer

yeah you act like we're shoving a pride flag down your throat but we literally see this everywhere ???? I literally just googled "romantic movies" and this is basically the entire thing. this is all we ever see on tv or in the movies or in books or in any other media platform. quit acting like asking for one small flag on a game is asking for too much when we literally have to fight every day just for people to recognize our existence and not bash it.

also we're all getting wayyy off topic. the point of this thread was simply to ask for one, small LGBT flag which really is not a big deal, yet you're all letting personal opinion get in the way of such a simple task. if you don't support it just say so and move on. yeesh. I'm guilty of contributing too, but goddamn this has just been turned into a giant argument. just /no support and move on.

People may startly asking :
1. What
2. Who
3. When
4. Why
5. How
Also, that's seems you get wrong mean. Waving "rainbow" flag into public is annoying because disturbing peoples. And movie not. If you not a feeble-minded, you should know what I mean.

Nikienames a dit :

There are many people in the game who aren't straight
We definitely need this. If people don't like it, they will just have to deal with it
/full support

Remember kids also playing this game, making online mouse game to LGBT supporting platform is bad idea and seems unnecessary and this isn't right place.

This is simply unnecessary.

/support

@kokoro that my friend is a matter of opinion. you may find pride ralleys to be annoying, some other person may find public protests to be annoying, all for the same reason. it's a matter of expression, however. also, I do happen to find movie trailers and other promotions for said Straight Media™ to be quite annoying because it interrupts my shows. the fact that they're all straight just adds insult to injury.
please, you've argued your point enough. so have I. as much as I'd hate to admit it we cannot reach a "right or wrong" outcome in a matter of beliefs. at this point we're not contributing at all, we're only spamming this thread. I'm leaving, though I'd suggest you'd do the same before a moderator comes.