Anythin a dit :

Since last night I've been playing in 3 different survivor rooms with 20-25 mice for an extended period of time, in 3 different time periods to see for myself how big this problem really is. In none of the rooms there was a shaman who used a totem, or even attempted to use one. So I am starting to wonder how if this really is an issue or if it's just limited to one room. If the numbers that are portrayed by several people here are true, then I should have seen a killer totem regularly. Instead, I saw none. Do you guys ever play in a different room than the one you usually play in?

there's no definitive pattern to the amount of people who use totems, you can enter some rooms and there won't be any at all while other rooms will have multiple active totem users. while totems are uncommon, this doesn't not mean they are not a huge problem,and just because your individual experience of totems isn't negative, doesn't mean everyone else feels the same. it only takes one person using a totem to ruin the experience for everyone else in the room.

i usually play in survivor1 on the en2 server, but played in survivor2 and survivor1 on the en1 server and they're not much different, with the same couple of people using their totems every round without fail and then sitting afk for the rest of the round... why should this be rewarded?

Anythin you play the dutch servers, i have been on the dutch server and they barely play survivor. With 200 played rounds do you really think you know what you are talking about?

I have actually been playing in survivor1, survivor2 and survivor3 on the EN server, and this morning I have been playing in survivor1 on the E2 server. I may not be a regular survivor player but that doesn't make my points less valid. Just because you're a "regular" doesn't mean you're right. Instead of focussing on my stats, why not bring in valid arguments to this discussion to counter my points.

There already are valid points to your statements, no need to add anything else at this point.

Anythin a dit :

Since last night I've been playing in 3 different survivor rooms with 20-25 mice for an extended period of time, in 3 different time periods to see for myself how big this problem really is. In none of the rooms there was a shaman who used a totem, or even attempted to use one. So I am starting to wonder how if this really is an issue or if it's just limited to one room. If the numbers that are portrayed by several people here are true, then I should have seen a killer totem regularly. Instead, I saw none. Do you guys ever play in a different room than the one you usually play in?

You can't base your opinion on such a short period of time in survivor. I hate saying this but you're not a regular survivor player and your only intention of playing survivor could just be showing us or trying to prove something in which more than half of the people in this thread are opposed to. You can't just go play and try to find out the core of the problem just by going to survivor for one night.

I limit myself to rooms like survivor1 and survivor2 only, maybe occasionally survivor3, but these are the main rooms that players get attracted to since they can get a bunch of coins, doesn't matter what method, whether it is your skills or totems that wipe out everyone. I've seen many people who are vanilla regulars come and try to farm coins with nothing but their totem. Believe me, their skills are almost next to nonexistent. They are only able to fire a certain amount of cannons before they give up completely and give their killing jobs to their totems.

I find that this reliability of totems is increasing in survivor rooms and people used to have a strong reaction to it, but now people barely cares and they just simply leave the room. Causing less coins for the skilled shamans due to the decreasing number of mice in the room.

Anythin a dit :

I have actually been playing in survivor1, survivor2 and survivor3 on the EN server, and this morning I have been playing in survivor1 on the E2 server. I may not be a regular survivor player but that doesn't make my points less valid. Just because you're a "regular" doesn't mean you're right. Instead of focussing on my stats, why not bring invalid arguments to this discussion to counter my points.

The problem with people who don't play survivor regularly or consider the mini-game as part of their most important aspect of the game, you shouldn't have a say in this. Regulars have seen what goes on in the rooms and the use of totems may vary time to time. If you are lucky, you might only encounter 1-2 totem users. But when farming occurs in the rooms, the number increases to 5-7.

Since you are not a regular, you probably don't care about survivor as much as some people in this thread does. I see lots of names that I recognize and those players are skillful and doesn't cheat their way out of killing. And without a doubt, I bet most people who don't support this thread are ones who use totem themselves and would be at a great loss if it was ever removed.

As for removing or limiting cannons/anvils/nails in totems, I find that wouldn't make any difference because there are other objects that can be used against players as well. Just recently, I've seen big boxes and planks being used increasingly as an alternate way to create the anvil god. These boxes usually glitch out of control, killing every mouse on the screen even without visible contact. Some shamans use regular vanilla totems as a way to trap mice and use portals to kill all. This is unfair even without the use of cannons, and it is evenly effective.

elite4woolfy a dit :

The shamans items are supposed to help them reach their goal
the goal is to kill every mouse in survivor
the totem is an item


you get the point

I think there's a difference between normal items and totems.. Items are singular whereas totems can be and normally are more than 1, a barrage of, items. Especially when used in survivor.

/support

i change my ming /support

Chocojell a dit :

You can't base your opinion on such a short period of time in survivor.

My opinion is based on all the times I have been playing in survivor rooms, on several accounts, not limited to today and yesterday. I had never experienced the situations which were described in this thread (80% of shamans are using a random cannons totem, 95% of shamans use totems just for mass killing x), so I wanted to see for myself if it was really that bad. I can't say it is.

Chocojell a dit :

Since you are not a regular, you probably don't care about survivor as much as some people in this thread does. I see lots of names that I recognize and those players are skillful and doesn't cheat their way out of killing. And without a doubt, I bet most people who don't support this thread are ones who use totem themselves and would be at a great loss if it was ever removed.

What I find insulting is the fact that just because someone doesn't spend all their time in survivor they're automatically categorized as someone who doesn't care about survivor and whose opinion doesn't matter. If I didn't care about survivor, I wouldn't put any effort in explaining why I believe there are better options for the problems raised in this thread, rather than simply removing totems completely. This arrogance coming from "regulars" is exactly why outsiders should and can have a say in these things. Regulars are often stuck in their own world and are unable to see things from an outsiders perspective. I don't need to be playing in survivor rooms all the time to have a say in matters that are brought up in this suggestion subforum.

You automatically assume that I am someone who uses totems to instakill everyone, just because I am against removing totems completely. The opposite is true, I never use totems or hard mode to begin with. That doesn't mean I can't think that they're an addition to the game. I am not asking you to agree with me, but saying my opinion (or anyone elses for that matter) doesn't matter is exactly the narrow-mindedness displayed by "regulars".

Chocojell a dit :

and doesn't cheat their way out of killing.

What I also don't agree with is that most of you consequently label the use of totems to kill people as cheating. As far as I know there is no rule that says you're not allowed to use totems in survivor.

Chocojell a dit :

I've seen many people who are vanilla regulars come and try to farm coins with nothing but their totem. Believe me, their skills are almost next to nonexistent. They are only able to fire a certain amount of cannons before they give up completely and give their killing jobs to their totems.

And why is it that you think they give up on using normal cannons to kill mice? It's because mice in the room are skilled enough to avoid their cannons. New shamans see that shooting cannons doesn't work, so they try something else, in this case use a totem. They see a totem does help to kill mice, so they use it again the next time they are shaman. So perhaps the real problem isn't just the lack of skill of newbies, it's the big difference in skill between new players and regular players. It's not fair to blame new players for using insta kill totems when other ways of killing are not working. It certainly wouldn't be fair to them to remove the totems completely. If new players are unable to kill mice in survivor, they will lose interest and stop coming to survivor rooms and you'll have the exact same effect as when frequent players stop playing.

Chocojell a dit :

Since you are not a regular, you probably don't care about survivor as much as some people in this thread does. I see lots of names that I recognize and those players are skillful and doesn't cheat their way out of killing. And without a doubt, I bet most people who don't support this thread are ones who use totem themselves and would be at a great loss if it was ever removed. aka i'm r00d

Even though i support now, i haven't always. I find this very offensive. Have a nice day.

/support

/support

Anythin a dit :

Chocojell a dit :VoirMasquer

and doesn't cheat their way out of killing.

What I also don't agree with is that most of you consequently label the use of totems to kill people as cheating. As far as I know there is no rule that says you're not allowed to use totems in survivor.

"Do not create any totems that are offensive or could cause other players to lag or crash. If you intentionally create an offensive totem (e.g. swastikas) or a crash totem (e.g. anvil/box god), be prepared to receive a ban."

Straight from the Guidelines and Rules! :~)

Leonboss has examples of totems you see in survivor and out of 10, 6 of them are crash totems. Mods are usually too busy to ban people who use them, so wouldn't it be more convenient to remove them from survivor altogether? Seeing that survivor is the most common place for crash totems?

Anythin a dit :

It's not fair to blame new players for using insta kill totems when other ways of killing are not working. It certainly wouldn't be fair to them to remove the totems completely. If new players are unable to kill mice in survivor, they will lose interest and stop coming to survivor rooms and you'll have the exact same effect as when frequent players stop playing.

Like everyone has already mentioned, instakill totems require no skill. This means that the new player will never get the chance to improve and get skilled at the game because they'll only be relying on their totem. Removing totems would give newer players the opportunity to learn how to kill the mice with their own skills instead of a totem doing the work for them. Basically, gitgud.

I also find it hilarious that you think removing totems, something that people have been complaining about pretty much since the day it came out, would make survivor LOSE players. If anything it would bring the more dedicated/competitive players back.

Anythin a dit :

And why is it that you think they give up on using normal cannons to kill mice? It's because mice in the room are skilled enough to avoid their cannons. New shamans see that shooting cannons doesn't work, so they try something else, in this case use a totem. They see a totem does help to kill mice, so they use it again the next time they are shaman. So perhaps the real problem isn't just the lack of skill of newbies, it's the big difference in skill between new players and regular players. It's not fair to blame new players for using insta kill totems when other ways of killing are not working. It certainly wouldn't be fair to them to remove the totems completely. If new players are unable to kill mice in survivor, they will lose interest and stop coming to survivor rooms and you'll have the exact same effect as when frequent players stop playing.

They give up using regular cannons simply because they aren't skilled enough to kill every mouse. If you are a new player in survivor, you can simply try to improve yourself by trying to aim directly at a crowd of mice and trying different angles to kill. What you don't realize is that by using totems, they will never get the chance to really get better at being a shaman in survivor. And also, the reasons that new players would quit if totems are being removed is because they lack skills that would help them in survivor.

Sqeeak a dit :

"Do not create any totems that are offensive or could cause other players to lag or crash. If you intentionally create an offensive totem (e.g. swastikas) or a crash totem (e.g. anvil/box god), be prepared to receive a ban."

Straight from the Guidelines and Rules! :~)

Leonboss has examples of totems you see in survivor and out of 10, 6 of them are crash totems. Mods are usually too busy to ban people who use them, so wouldn't it be more convenient to remove them from survivor altogether? Seeing that survivor is the most common place for crash totems?

Moderators don't actually do anything against anvil gods because they don't actually crash the room anymore. In the past, anvil gods made people lag terribly bad and even caused some of them to get disconnected from the game. This issue has been fixed a long time ago, which makes that line redundant. The game rules just never have been updated (look at the bit which explains how to mute your tribe lol). The anvils gods today therefore shouldn't be considered as crash totems and as such are not against the rules. You won't find any mod that'll ban for these totems, even if they had all the time in the world.

I suppose there should be a survivor mode mice are forced into. If you don't allow totems that would kind of mess up hard mode. Limiting cannons seems more doable but not being able to see where they are is a problem too I guess.

I'm not a big survivor player so, /half support.

Anythin a dit :

Moderators don't actually do anything against anvil gods because they don't actually crash the room anymore. In the past, anvil gods made people lag terribly bad and even caused some of them to get disconnected from the game. This issue has been fixed a long time ago, which makes that line redundant. The game rules just never have been updated (look at the bit which explains how to mute your tribe lol). The anvils gods today therefore shouldn't be considered as crash totems and as such are not against the rules. You won't find any mod that'll ban for these totems, even if they had all the time in the world.

Actually, plenty of mods will ban for these totems. I've reported several people for using them, and they do get banned. Clearly you just haven't seen it happen. The only reason that it's complicated to get them banned is because the mods consider other matters, such as hackers, more important. That's why totems should just be removed from survivor altogether so that less rules are being broken.

Anvil god totems may not crash the room anymore, but my ping always rises once one of these totems are spawned. I'm sure that plenty of people have the same issue, especially when multiple people in the room have these totems. You might not think a little bit of lag is a huge problem, but it is. When the shaman is laggy, their cannons are laggy too and that usually causes multiple cannons to spawn at once, which is obviously unfair.

Anythin a dit :

Sqeeak a dit :VoirMasquer

"Do not create any totems that are offensive or could cause other players to lag or crash. If you intentionally create an offensive totem (e.g. swastikas) or a crash totem (e.g. anvil/box god), be prepared to receive a ban."

Straight from the Guidelines and Rules! :~)

Leonboss has examples of totems you see in survivor and out of 10, 6 of them are crash totems. Mods are usually too busy to ban people who use them, so wouldn't it be more convenient to remove them from survivor altogether? Seeing that survivor is the most common place for crash totems?

Moderators don't actually do anything against anvil gods because they don't actually crash the room anymore. In the past, anvil gods made people lag terribly bad and even caused some of them to get disconnected from the game. This issue has been fixed a long time ago, which makes that line redundant. The game rules just never have been updated (look at the bit which explains how to mute your tribe lol). The anvils gods today therefore shouldn't be considered as crash totems and as such are not against the rules. You won't find any mod that'll ban for these totems, even if they had all the time in the world.

You're right, totems don't crash rooms but they still cause large amounts of lag that can make a lot of players disconnect. I'd hate to bring up your playtime in survivor but honestly the more you play the more you see it happen.
And I've asked a mod if they still ban for anvil god totems and they said yes, which kindaaa makes everything you just said invalid.

/support

/support
Totems are cancerous and are mostly used for anvil gods and other chaotic shit we dont need