White List for Ex-Pats/Fluent Speakers |
Anythin « Consul » 1497293520000
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Arbs are hired for in-game moderation. Let's not give them more responsibilities on the forums when players already are complaining about the lack of moderation in the game itself. Priorities are to be made and certainly in-game moderation is much more important than a white list. I've already explained why this suggestion is easier said than done so I'm not going to repeat myself on that matter. |
Foxehfoxeh « Citoyen » 1497294180000
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Haruhitastic a dit : No xP, I'm lazy. It is quite a lot of work for some people just to get in one server. There are big glitches etc that could be time better spent in my opinion. Dernière modification le 1497294240000 |
Sarkazm_lol « Citoyen » 1497297540000
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Anythin a dit : i don't mean to be rude, but your only valuable point pertaining to the suggestion itself is the amount of work required to implement something such as this. with an initiative such as this, we might actually have consistent moderation of the game due to the increased workload on all teams. in relation to the lack of time to bother to read important information contained in this thread, i would make the point that anyone making an uninformed statement here is making a mistake. you must best inform yourself on matters such as these and not allow other duties to become an excuse for not doing so. |
Xenguy « Citoyen » 1497297660000
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Anythin a dit : Foxehfoxeh a dit : "Mods have better things to do" Has, and always will be the laziest and least defendable reason for a suggestion to not be added. If a new feature is good and will otherwise help people, whether or not it seems 'useless', in most cases it should be added. I'm pretty sure the lack of "contact lenses" in the game was not of significant importance, nor did many people really care, and yet, they still took the time to add it, did they not? Haruh explains on the front most key aspects of this suggestion, while the rest can be left up to the admins. You cannot escape the fact that people not being able to play on their home server is a key flaw in the game, and even if they don't opt to implement this in the same way that Haruh suggested, it is still something that needs to seriously be looked over, as it affects a key part of gameplay for a significant amount of people. |
Haruhitastic « Censeur » 1497298260000
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Anythin a dit : It's not a gigantic responsibility and considering all they can do is moderate chat, it'll give them something else. It really is not the big deal you are making it out to be. Not to be rude but you've explained yourself quite a few times. There is no need to repeat yourself. I already know that you do not support, so there's really no need to keep going on about it. |
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/support, I believe this could help many players that are forced to download a vpn or avoid the en2 server all together because of the current system. |
Anythin « Consul » 1497306000000
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Sarkazm a dit : Xenguy a dit : You probably didn't understand my point properly, because my problem is not so much with implementing this suggestion as it is with maintaining it. Sure, implementing it takes a one time effort and after that there's no work on the admins' behalf. But then the rest of the staff team is left to deal with everything that comes with these white lists, on top of everything else they already do behind the scenes. Xenguy a dit : I understand the problem that is raised, and I'm not denying that this is a problem. However, the solution that is proposed is so resource intensive while at the same time there already exists a suitable alternative for those people who wish to play in a server without having their chat restricted. The international server is right there for exactly those people who wish to play with and talk to their friends from other language communities. As much as it is an unpopular suggestion, I honestly think it's not unreasonable to ask people to play in the international server instead of one of the other language communities. Let's also not forget the /chat groups and tribe chats which both act as a bridge between language communities. Xenguy a dit : Alright. So when a staff member has to tell you they can't help you with your unban request; or your fraise purchase that didn't work; or that bully who keeps harassing you; or that spammer who keeps flooding your screen; or that hacker in your bootcamp room - because he has to check someone's grammar and spelling, you are perfectly okay with that? I know I wouldn't be. You might think these examples are exaggerated, but that's pretty much what is being suggested here. |
Haruhitastic « Censeur » 1497306540000
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that is 200% not what i'm suggesting at all. i NEVER stated this supersede any other duty, especially an in game one. why are you twisting my words? |
Xenguy « Citoyen » 1497329640000
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Anythin a dit : This isn't even as resource intensive as for example, maintaining the cafe. A simple application process is really all the suggestion is adding. Because breaking the rules will always be breaking the rules and letting a few people who can fully prove their capabilities in a language play on their respective server isn't going to change how the mods handle things. All I see here is people panicking "Oh no BRs are going to be coming in and spamming everything!!" without considering that the majority of the people using a process like this would be people studying abroad and legitimate bilingual people who wish to play alongside their friends. Even if we have a person or two who can scrape by the system unnoticed (Something not uncommon with any other application process on here), it's not going to be this exponential catastrophe of rule-breakers torturing the mods that you are suggesting. And if we go by your logic of "Lets not do anything that may even mildly inconvenience a mod" Then most of the features we have right now would, like the election or cafe, would've ever been added because it's "too much of a risk" There will always be one or two rulebreakers with the addition of any system, it's not fair to sacrifice an entire feature that will fix a key part of the game for many people because you're panicking that there may be one or two people who will try to abuse it. |
Honorabilis « Consul » 1497345660000
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Yakitak a dit : I have used VPN but an idiot permabanned via VPN. So I can not log on when choosen IP adress was banned. |
Anythin « Consul » 1497347400000
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Xenguy a dit : Well if you're just going to disregard my earlier post then I don't know what else to tell you. Xenguy a dit : People tend to believe their language skills are better than they really are. I don't even wish to think about when a player starts to make a scene because he wasn't deemed fluent enough to play on a specific server. Not to mention that being staff doesn't automatically mean you're fluent at every language either. So again, how are you going to objectively assess someone's fluency and where do you put the threshold as to what is and what isn't acceptable in terms of fluency? The fact none of these questions (along with the other ones) have been answered so far proves my point that it's not as straight forward as everyone is making it seem. Haruhitastic a dit : Indeed, you didn't specifically say this. But at the same time you expect staff to make time for this white list when in reality there are so many other things to do that are far more important than this. Xenguy a dit : The café is actually a good example of a terrible feature from a moderators' perspective. A lot of moderation staff chooses to avoid the café simply because moderating it takes too much of their time which means they wouldn't be able to do all the other things they're expected to do. So why would we add more features that take a lot of time and effort to maintain when the alternative is already available and requires no extra effort from our chronically understaffed moderation team? Dernière modification le 1497347700000 |
Xenguy « Citoyen » 1497351780000
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anythin a dit : The fact that you think judging fluency is this impossible process is hilarious. Our fluency is already judged in mod applications. Depending on how they decide to make the form, it should be extremely obvious when someone fully capable in a language. Take it from someone who has had work as a website translator, it is mindbogglingly easy. As I already said, it is up the admins to decide how they're going to implement this, or who they decide to put on the job, whether it be existing mods or have a small team who goes through this. Even in a worst case scenario, the amount of people needing to to use this from won't be all that big considering how many servers are ip locked. Anythin a dit : Because the game will move forward as it needs to, the cafe is a feature that is used and loved by many, and while I personally don't like it, it's a good example that features are going to keep being added, being a mod is voulenteer work, not a job after all, mods chose to be mods. Even so, everyone has already stated that it doesnt even have to be existing mods, its not like people should be randomly assigned to judging fluency, perhaps there may be an admin who does it, or a small team of prexisting mods who voulenteer or even a brand new team. This suggestion is nowhere near as resource intensive as you are suggesting. You are making a mountain out of a molehile for no other reason than your fear of progression, at the expense of several people who should have just as much right to play on their home server as you. |
Haruhitastic « Censeur » 1497355260000
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If you're not fluent in your own language as a mod then you shouldn't be a mod lmao That's the last thing I'm saying on the matter, as Xen already got everything else out I was gonna say. I get that you don't support it because yay different opinions but must you be so vehement? Dernière modification le 1497355320000 |
Anythin « Consul » 1497432900000
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Xenguy a dit : Nowhere did I say it's impossible. I am just saying the gain is not worth the effort and the staff's time could be better spent elsewhere. Xenguy a dit : Xenguy a dit : This is honestly a very unrealistic suggestion, and it clearly shows you have no idea how a staff team operates. It's kinda gullible to believe a new team would be created solely for the purpose of checking people's fluency in a certain language. Admins certainly won't have time for something trivial as this either, they're overloaded with work as it is. So whether you like it or not it's evident that the existing staff will have to deal with this feature if it gets implemented. I am still wondering what's wrong with playing on the international server though. This is a solution for all those people who cannot speak on certain servers but so far it remains unaddressed here. |
Haruhitastic « Censeur » 1497433740000
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Because people shouldn't have to uproot all of their friends to play with them aka the point expressed in post number one |
Anythin « Consul » 1497446460000
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You can still play with your friends on any server just fine. The chat restriction is not preventing you from doing so at all. You only have to choose between being able to communicate through room chat or not. Again: whispers, tribechat and /chat groups are already at your disposal to combat this inconvenience. Also, the international community has players too that can become your friends if you're open to it. |
Haruhitastic « Censeur » 1497470700000
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- whispers do not help if you have multiple people - tribechat doesnt help if youre not in the same tribe - /chat works, but it's really not the same? tfm is a platformer with social aspects and having one without the other just doesnt feel right. - WOW YEAH SURE LET ME JUST REPLACE MY FRIENDS BECAUSE I CANT TALK WHILE I PLAY WITH THEM this is clearly the best solution. why didnt i think of this. wow. but ok anythin i get it. i absolutely get it. you dont support the suggestion. you have made your point clear. you can stop posting now because i understand that you do not support (i understood it like four pages ago tbh). |
Apprisemel « Citoyen » 1497471900000
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/support But what if you came from an English-speaking country and then moved somewhere where it is not spoken? Would that work too? |
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/support |
Haruhitastic « Censeur » 1497499140000
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Apprisemel a dit : yes it would |