It has everything to do with what the mapcrew does because reviewing is what they do. Saying other games are more popular is useless because defilante isn't popular due to the mapcrew's negligence with this category, the salvation of this game is clearly a huge priority.

If the mapcrew review based on what is popular, it will NEVER be reviewed, they need to, and already review off of what needs a review. With obviously the exception of delfilante, and that exception needs to go.

And yes people still play defilante, I'm in a room right now, it has more players than music, and that certainly says something because mapcrew still review P19.

I do not think a few newly added maps would make enough difference to bring back players however it also wouldn't hurt reviewing the few pages of submitted maps just to get it over with and have something for the loyal defilante players.

If the defilante coins are a sure thing, you can expect more people to start playing again just to gain the coins. Most of them who has probably never even played defilante long enough to even seen most of the maps in that mode to begin with will probably have no problem at the beginning with repeated maps, this giving the mapcrew time and proper statistics to see if defilante is worth reviewing maps over again.

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And no the maps have a lot to do with what makes a game the game not just the competition, if things feel repetitive you move on to something that isn't.

To compare, vanilla rotation has been more or less the same for over 6 years, yet people still flock to these rooms in large numbers.

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And no the maps have a lot to do with what makes a game the game not just the competition, if things feel repetitive you move on to something that isn't.

To compare, vanilla rotation has been more or less the same for over 6 years, yet people still flock to these rooms in large numbers.

vanilla is also the default rooms where new mice spawn, to some mice it's the only rooms they even know of transformice, and to coralate with that the majority of mice in vanilla rooms are new mice or pro players taking advantage of most of those mice being new.

With that in mind, you can't really compare the two, because they're too different of situations.

Regardless of whatever apologics you can come up with, defilante has gone on too long without a review, it's embarrassing even, like Natrats said "it also wouldn't hurt reviewing the few pages of submitted maps just to get it over with and have something for the loyal defilante players."

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vanilla is also the default rooms where new mice spawn, to some mice it's the only rooms they even know of transformice, and to coralate with that the majority of mice in vanilla rooms are new mice or pro players taking advantage of most of those mice being new.

As someone who has played in vanilla rooms regularly for multiple years...no, that is not why vanilla regulars play there.

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vanilla is also the default rooms where new mice spawn, to some mice it's the only rooms they even know of transformice, and to coralate with that the majority of mice in vanilla rooms are new mice or pro players taking advantage of most of those mice being new.

So the maps really have nothing to do with the fact people go to vanilla. Glad to have established that. Racing is similar, you don't go to racing rooms to play new racing maps, you go there to beat the competition. Point remains that prioritizing other duties over reviewing defilante maps isn't the reason why defilante is dead.

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Mousechris a dit :VoirMasquer

vanilla is also the default rooms where new mice spawn, to some mice it's the only rooms they even know of transformice, and to coralate with that the majority of mice in vanilla rooms are new mice or pro players taking advantage of most of those mice being new.

So the maps really have nothing to do with the fact people go to vanilla. Glad to have established that. Racing is similar, you don't go to racing rooms to play new racing maps, you go there to beat the competition. Point remains that prioritizing other duties over reviewing defilante maps isn't the reason why defilante is dead.

that's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying with vanilla it's a completely different situation because vanilla is where new players spawn.

And no you don't go somewhere with the intention of playing new maps, but if you play the same maps over and over like I said earlier things get boring, with vanilla they're always either new players or players trying to get firsts. So it doesn't matter if there aren't new maps there. If transformice never changed for example, I'd move to a different game.

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vanilla is also the default rooms where new mice spawn, to some mice it's the only rooms they even know of transformice, and to coralate with that the majority of mice in vanilla rooms are new mice or pro players taking advantage of most of those mice being new.

As someone who has played in vanilla rooms regularly for multiple years...no, that is not why vanilla regulars play there.

So, you don't go to vanilla to take advantage of the firsts there? So if you're so confident that that's not why people go there, and by people I mean not new players, then why don't you explain the reason why they do instead of just claiming that isn't why.

Vanilla is also easier to build on with the more simple and easy maps, not including the self-doable ones. I also know loyal vanilla players who love the mode because thats where they met their friends starting off as a new player, which makes vanilla a more comfortable place for many. Generally, new players and first farmers are not the only people in vanilla.

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So, you don't go to vanilla to take advantage of the firsts there? So if you're so confident that that's not why people go there, and by people I mean not new players, then why don't you explain the reason why they do instead of just claiming that isn't why.

No, Some people play it because room maps are laggy "Art maps,Mecha maps" others play it if their friends are in vanilla Also easy shamming and easy saves in vanilla, you don't have to come up with new ideas to pass a map.

those are still all situations you can't compare to defilante, yes that's a lot of what keeps vanilla together and going which is why they don't need new maps

but defilante is made from player maps, they don't have shamans to build anything, they don't really have the friend aspect because you're constantly running. Etc etc, it's just a gametype, and there's only so much to do with it to keep it new and interesting, one of those being new maps.

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So, you don't go to vanilla to take advantage of the firsts there? So if you're so confident that that's not why people go there, and by people I mean not new players, then why don't you explain the reason why they do instead of just claiming that isn't why.

I hate user-made maps and I like the rotation in vanilla better, always have. These rooms were popular long before new players started to be directed there automatically.

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So, you don't go to vanilla to take advantage of the firsts there? So if you're so confident that that's not why people go there, and by people I mean not new players, then why don't you explain the reason why they do instead of just claiming that isn't why.

I actually like to go to vanilla occasionally to change it up from the numbered rooms, since they don't play vanilla rooms as often. ^^;

I also play regularly in vanilla because I like to experience older maps and sometimes mech maps slow the hell out of my computer.

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but defilante is made from player maps, they don't have shamans to build anything, they don't really have the friend aspect because you're constantly running. Etc etc, it's just a gametype, and there's only so much to do with it to keep it new and interesting, one of those being new maps.

Add all the maps in the world you want but with zero payout nobody's gonna be playing defilante. Case closed.

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So, you don't go to vanilla to take advantage of the firsts there? So if you're so confident that that's not why people go there, and by people I mean not new players, then why don't you explain the reason why they do instead of just claiming that isn't why.

I actually like to go to vanilla occasionally to change it up from the numbered rooms, since they don't play vanilla rooms as often. ^^;

This is exactly what I'm talking about, the same old thing get's boring fast, and it's been more than a year, that fast has quickly gone up in flames. There needs to be a change, I might even suggest do what racing does where the ENTIRE rotation changes every month.

Edit: again ^^ it doesn't matter it's been more than a year, it needs a review, that's something that needs to change on it's own.

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There needs to be a change, I might even suggest do what racing does where the ENTIRE rotation changes every month.

There is absolutely, positively zero sense in so much work for a game that like... less than 200 people play regularly. There's 16,672 users online as of when I make this post, and there are 125 in defilante. Compare that to 2,243 in survivor and 1,827 in racing and tell me which game mode is more important?

the game mode that hasn't had a review in over a year would always be more important than the game mode that gets a review every once in a while.

Again, the mapcrew review based off what needs a review not what's popular.

It's like a homeless person, you give them food because they NEED the food, unlike yourself that gets food everyday.

Why are you even fighting against it, like what Natrats said, what harm does reviewing a thread which has never had a review for over a year, remember that, what harm will that do? Oh the mapcrew will have to review boring maps? That isn't a harm they do that every day.

Amazingly, I'm permitted to have a differing opinion. I'm sorry if it bothers you.

Map crew are volunteers. They do this because they want to. You don't hold the right to boss them around and imply they're not doing their job all because something that you think should be done isn't, when they have 38949834598 other more important things to do than handle maps for a dead minigame. Their priority should be where majority of people actually want to go. The now 96 players in defilante rooms across servers are not a majority.

It's not about reviewing boring maps, it's about priorities. There is no point in trying to cure a dead horse.

Just because something isn't a majority doesn't mean it's not important I've already told you that, if that was the case we as humanity wouldn't fight for black rights, or lgbt rights. I have every right to criticize the mapcrew for neglecting a game for more than a year that's insane. You say they have 38949834598 more important things to do, but they don't, this game hasn't been reviewed in over a year, that makes it an insane priority. At this point you either review it or you remove it, because if not, why is it even there.

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It's not about reviewing boring maps, it's about priorities. There is no point in trying to cure a dead horse.

except whenever mapcrew are faced with criticism on defilante this is always the responce, I've brought it up with Barrydarsow countless times and it's always about players submitting terrible maps.

Did you literally just compare maps on a mouse game to literal human rights oh my jesus

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At this point you either review it or you remove it, because if not, why is it even there.

Dunno if you know this buddy but map crew can't remove literal game modes loool

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You say they have 38949834598 more important things to do, but they don't

They have P1 - P9, bootcamp, survivor, racing, music, module reviews, applications, but oh yes, that game that less than 200 people on a regular basis play is absolutely more important. How could I have ever been so wrong.