Hdyangy a dit :

Melibellule a dit :VoirMasquer

We risk sanctioning unfairly because we do not understand the language

Melibellule a dit :VoirMasquer

- You must not have any serious or recent bans or mutes;

I feel like addressing this is necessary, since I've seen a few people incorrectly quoting that.

Melibellule a dit :

We risk sanctioning unfairly because we do not understand the language

This refers to the reason mods don't moderate the communities they are not a part of unless it is something very serious (like harassment for example).

Melibellule a dit :

- You must not have any serious or recent bans or mutes;

This is a requirement for all applicants, be it staffed or staffless communities. It is also more likely that people from staffless communities will not have any sanctions (unless they play on staffed communities and broke the rules, which makes it even worse - if they do that on a staffed community, what do they do on a staffless one?).

If anyone wants more explanations about that, feel free to contact a mod privately.

Anythin a dit :

Matza a dit :VoirMasquer

This refers to the reason mods don't moderate the communities they are not a part of unless it is something very serious (like harassment for example).

How can you determine something is harassment when you don't understand the language that is spoken?

If we don't understand the language that's being spoken and the respective community has no staff, we use our common sense at best to determine that. From my personal experience, I've never come across a situation in which we mistakenly classified a case of harassment. Most of the time they're quite easy to distinguish regardless of spoken language or culture.

Matza a dit :

This refers to the reason mods don't moderate the communities they are not a part of unless it is something very serious (like harassment for example).

yeah something serious like saying your opinion about "helpers team" in your community, i wasn't really gonna reply because idc about tfm or dead atelier anymore but you guys in staff team always defend each other even when staff member did something wrong

i got mute from the forum for 360hours because i was talkin about AR Helpers team and i said in thier topic that they have faild and thier politics on choose new members isn't fair and thier friends the only one who allowed to join to the team, i have talked with ikke because he's the one who muted me and i asked him why i got muted for 360 hours he just said "you're attacking helpers team and provoke them" and he gave me a link for my
comment in thier topic that including word like "faild team" and i just got mute for 360hours because i said my opnion on this team at this time, i really wasn't attack them or something, i just wasn't agree with them in a lot of things

it's really funny when you get mute from BR sentinel for something you writed in AR forum and not him or even other staff team members understand the language, they only depended on the AR helpers team to translate my comment and they just said i was attacking them for 666y and i was insulting
them and a lot of bad fake things about me just to make sure that i get a big mute and not bothering them by telling my opinions about thier mistakes anymore



now before atelier's defenders spam me with "you may have already broken the rules" i talked with Massi#0015 our AR sentinel and he said word like "faild team" is a slight insult I would have given you a warn and not 360h mute or even any mute that's because he's a real AR sentinel and he understand my comment very well there isn't any attack or big insults or something like that and i didn't deserve 360h mute

In the end, I want to admit that I am not an angel on earth, I have broken rules several times in the past and I am not upset or angry because of the sanctions I received as a result of that, but when I criticized the AR helpers team and their policy in selecting new members I was not breaking the rules, I was criticizing a mistake I see in front of My eyes and I expected them to fix it and not resort to a BR sentinel and lie to him until i got mute, but the biggest mistake and blame lies on the sentinel for allowing himself to rely on translating one side of the two parties and ignoring the other side without investigating the correctness of the translation and without understanding the AR forum or the Arabic language

also, not only ikke or matza who did a lot of unfair sanctions in another communitys there's a lot of staff members who trust in translating by helpers team or by normal players to mute or ban someone in another community without make sure if they really broke the rules or not



in this pic^, the topic was really including a lot of insults but he just deleted it without understanding the language so i can delete someone's topic by asking any mod to do that depend on my translate

i won't reply anymore or get myself involved in an argument because in atelier801 the staff team is always right and not my comment or any other comment gonna change that, also like i said before idc about tfm or atelier anymore because i feel like i'm talking about "gods" when i say some staff member did a mistake or unfair sanction, have fun guys by mockery my bad English, bye

Anythin a dit :

So do you agree with me that it's basically an educated guess, which opens up room for error because it's just that, a guess? Objectively speaking, how does one determine that a mistake has not been made, when they don't understand the language so they cannot be 100% sure what is happening?

It's no longer just a guess when you're 100% sure of it. In cases when we're not 100% certain of something, we choose to not intervene. We do our best to make sure that our judgement is as accurate as possible and that's why we only choose to take action only when there's a serious matter going on and we hold enough proof to justify our actions.

Sure, being 100% certain of something does not always mean it is correct, since it's a matter of perspective. But that's why we agreed to not let only one person decide whenever there might be a slight doubt. Sometimes we make mistakes, I'm not trying to hide that. We are only human, we're not perfect, but that's not just about language anymore.


Hdyangy, I'm sorry to hear that you've had an unpleasant experience, but I think you are contradicting yourself.
More specifically here:

Hdyangy a dit :

i talked with Massi#0015 our AR sentinel and he said word like "faild team" is a slight insult

and here:

Hdyangy a dit :

but when I criticized the AR helpers team and their policy in selecting new members I was not breaking the rules, I was criticizing a mistake I see in front of My eyes and I expected them to fix it and not resort to a BR sentinel and lie to him until i got mute

So it is an insult (slight or not), and earlier in your post you were saying that they were lying about you insulting them.

You certainly forgot to mention that it's not the first time you call them like that and while it's absolutely fine to state your opinion, you can do so without insulting / attacking anyone. We take what players say with a pinch of salt, including those from the helpers team.

I will not comment on the duration of your sanctions because I haven't extensively looked up your history, but if you choose to make this matter public then please tell the complete story, not just parts of it. Right now you're making it sound like you've received a 360-hour mute for it without receiving prior warnings, which is not true. At a quick glance, I've noticed you received at least 2 mutes for the same thing in the past, including one from an AR sentinel at the time, and a multitude of warnings for the same reason, also from actual AR sentinels.

There might have been a problem with the duration of the sanctions, but I doubt there was an actual language problem.

Tarmac a dit :

Hdyangy, I'm sorry to hear that you've had an unpleasant experience, but I think you are contradicting yourself.
More specifically here:

Hdyangy a dit :VoirMasquer

i talked with Massi#0015 our AR sentinel and he said word like "faild team" is a slight insult

and here:

Hdyangy a dit :VoirMasquer

but when I criticized the AR helpers team and their policy in selecting new members I was not breaking the rules, I was criticizing a mistake I see in front of My eyes and I expected them to fix it and not resort to a BR sentinel and lie to him until i got mute

So it is an insult (slight or not), and earlier in your post you were saying that they were lying about you insulting them.

You certainly forgot to mention that it's not the first time you call them like that and while it's absolutely fine to state your opinion, you can do so without insulting / attacking anyone. We take what players say with a pinch of salt, including those from the helpers team.

I will not comment on the duration of your sanctions because I haven't extensively looked up your history, but if you choose to make this matter public then please tell the complete story, not just parts of it. Right now you're making it sound like you've received a 360-hour mute for it without receiving prior warnings, which is not true. At a quick glance, I've noticed you received at least 2 mutes for the same thing in the past, including one from an AR sentinel at the time, and a multitude of warnings for the same reason, also from actual AR sentinels.

There might have been a problem with the duration of the sanctions, but I doubt there was an actual language problem.

Hi! I'm the former sentinel who gave the sanction.

Everything I have to say is when I was trying to help the AR community, I had different sources to translate the reports, this way I would not apply anything wrong.

As mentioned above, they had a lot of previous santions and as most of players already know, the sanctions are cumulative, it means that the most you break the rules, you receive higher sanctions.

I'm sure that Massi answred it considering that they only have been muted once or never, which is not the case.

Ikke a dit :

I'm sure that Massi answred it considering that they only have been muted once or never, which is not the case.

Yes there was a little misunderstanding, but it has been cleared up privately right now.