Force_Shaman a dit :

No_0ne a dit :VoirMasquer

On hard mode or normal mode you would not need the balloons or the box used in that video, which further proves my point that divine mode is still the more difficult mode even with skills.

If that's too much of a hassle for you, you could always spam it with arrow anchors and then tape it. These extra steps do not add nearly enough difficulty to warrant being a successor to hard mode.

No_0ne a dit :VoirMasquer

And while some vanilla maps are indeed hard to complete, the simple ones are by far the majority.

I was meaning that P4 maps are very simple and easy, save for maybe one or two maps (just like vanilla).

No_0ne a dit :VoirMasquer

How is using building techniques that you are fully in your right to use, considered taking the cheap way out?

With these two skills it is unnecessary to learn how to make a v build. You can play divine mode and earn all its titles whilst building using only makeshift hardmode/easymode tactics.

The main difference between hardmode and divine mode is that in hardmode your main objective is to prevent your build from flipping over (rotating). In divine mode, you must not only stop the rotation of your build itself, but every single object you spawn. This is where restorative comes in and ruins the challenge: it not only makes it impossible for the attached object to rotate, but almost everything it's connected to as well as long as the weight isn't obscenely undistributed. Restorative single handedly ruins both the challenges of divine mode, and even hardmode.

Big plank is about 133% the size of a large plank, and you have unlimited of them. This means that just by having the big plank skill, the amount of building you must do is about 2/3 regardless of what mode you're in.

You could have a shaman with only big plank and restorative, and another shaman with every other skill in the game. And shaman #1 would build faster and more stably than shaman #2 100% of the time, with a less complex build that requires almost no actual support.

Combine these two skills togther and you can:

1: build 33% less
2: build substantially faster
3: build in a fashion that is nearly impossible to destroy, even with say, 100 anvils falling on it (sound like easy mode?)

All this using only 2 of the 75 skills in the game.



This is cheap and overpowered. This is b planks in divine mode.

Divine mode announcement a dit :VoirMasquer

To unlock the divine mode, you'll need to have saved at least 5000 mice in regular mode and 2000 in hard mode. But be warned: in divine mode there are no more red nails or yellow nails.

No more yellow or red nails, but you have a slew of things to achieve the exact same result!

Auroraclears a dit :

So if the admins decided to add flying as a feature in the game you'd support the change?

Anythin a dit :

Auroraclears a dit :VoirMasquer

So if the admins decided to add flying as a feature in the game you'd support the change?

As long as it's an in-game feature it is absolutely legitimate to use and therefore not classed as cheating. No matter how much you think differently.

Faesin a dit :

Suggested something similar before (http://atelier801.com/topic?f=6&t=795592&p=1#m8), hence /support.

Diamondwing a dit :

Faesin a dit :VoirMasquer

Suggested something similar before (http://atelier801.com/topic?f=6&t=795592&p=1#m8), hence /support.

That topic's only 6 days older, but it has less support and discussion.

Force_Shaman a dit :

you are taking the term cheating far too literally.

Milkybum a dit :

Cant we just remove all skills from divine instead?

Milkybum a dit :

Cant we just remove all skills from divine instead?

Force_Shaman a dit :

Removing all skills isn't exactly something i'd be opposed to, but it's not exactly necessary either. As long as the most powerful skills are removed (ie the ones in this thread) then the challenge remains about the same.